Your Day

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Because it just didn't work out that way. "Good" and "evil" are concepts that are determined by those who win. On the flipside, that's also how revolutions get justified even if people have to die for a cause to be realized - if you win, then you were the one who was right all along.

Of course, it isn't always that simple. But that's been the primary modus operandi for human beings since the dawn of the species.

If you want to avoid an honest confrontation of self then sure.

grindy · 06-20-2020, 09:44 AM

AFAIK most native Americans died from illness. Without getting intentionally infected. The US is still despicable and disgusting though.

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 10:10 AM

It's hard to say what was or wasn't intentional.

OccultHawk · 06-20-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

AFAIK most native Americans died from illness. Without getting intentionally infected. The US is still despicable and disgusting though.

Keep in mind what terms like “westward expansion” “Jacksonian Democracy” and “manifest destiny” really mean.

The causes of death can be disputed but not the intent. It was an and still is an intentional systematic extermination directly in the interest white supremacy. And it’s still being celebrated.

I don’t think this is how Hitler is presented in German schools.

Anteater · 06-20-2020, 10:47 AM

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it's a bit like destroying the food supply

then saying the cause of death was malnutrition in the population, yes but c'mon

Not really the same thing. Nobody intentionally weaponized smallpox or even understood how bacteria or viruses worked.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

If you want to avoid an honest confrontation of self then sure.

To my earlier point, America is already seen as the "evil" of the world by a large number of countries.

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Not really the same thing. Nobody intentionally weaponized smallpox or even understood how bacteria or viruses worked.

Actually...

https://www.history.com/news/colonis...llpox-blankets

Anteater · 06-20-2020, 11:00 AM

Anecdotal at best, debunked at worst. Case in point-

Article - Did the U.S. Army Distribute Smallpox Blankets to Indians? Fabrication and Falsification in Ward Churchill's Genocide Rhetoric

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 11:13 AM

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Anecdotal at best, debunked at worst.

Or completely documented to have happened at least once making your statement just complete and total bull****.

Not only that, but reading the article it's clear that multiple people came up with the idea to intentionally spread smallpox to the natives. And that's just what's documented.

A lot of outbreaks from back then aren't very well documented so it's hard to say how much was actually intentional or not.

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Article - Did the U.S. Army Distribute Smallpox Blankets to Indians? Fabrication and Falsification in Ward Churchill's Genocide Rhetoric

That doesn't debunk anything from the history.com article.

It debunks a claim made about a specific incident in 1837.

History.com brings up evidence from 1763.

Did you read it or are you just trying to ignore the facts?

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

why all the sudden in the "your day" thread did we have to learn we're all Nazis

Idk, it's just where I decided to unload my thoughts. Wrong thread, probably, but we're already here.

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grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	AFAIK most native Americans died from illness. Without getting intentionally infected. The US is still despicable and disgusting though. __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*