Synthgirl

Oh gotcha. Sorry about that, I know I tend to be on edge during trans discussions.

Key

i mean i should apologize. i came in with a random quip and off i went. no worries on y'alls parts, im the culprit

WWWP

The takeaway is none of what is posted regarding social issues on an antiquated music forum is that serious.

But also like I do live in the capital of queer movements and am in a long term partnership with someone who is gender queer and my friend group/community is made up of all variations of queer/enby/trans/questioning folk so while I have never claimed to speak to the lived trans experience I am not exactly ignorant.

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jadis

The Montreal gayborhood is bigger than San Fran's, just saying

Synthgirl

I gotcha, just a misunderstanding.

My default mood when taking about trans issues is to take this stuff seriously, it’s hard to help that after spending the past few years being exposed to and subjected to all manner of horrible transphobic verbal attacks. Not that you’re doing that, but any sort of trans discourse just puts me a bit on edge these days.

It’s not something I feel comfortable not taking seriously. Maybe that’s a flaw of mine.

Key

I'd say it's a strength. It just shows you have passion and compassion

jadis

There are many issues at stake.

Your claim is always about the victimization of trans people. To listen to you, they're uniquely vulnerable (this emphasis is of course not unique to you: like everything you say, it's a canned activist talking point wheeled out every time, including in the UK, where J.K. Rowling lives). Let's talk about that for a moment.

Let's put this into a wider context

To quote trans scholar Talia Mae Bettcher,

Thus it would appear that the vulnerability of sex workers in Latin America is what we should be talking about. It's a hugely complex social issue having to do with plenty of things from the consequences of the ****ing disastrous US War on Drugs to corrupt police forces to the inherent dangers of street prostitution to, obviously, prejudice against gender nonconforming people in Latin America.

How do you address those? Not a clue. But the stuff J.K. Rowling talks about in the British context has nothing to do with any of that. You won't improve the conditions of sex workers in Brazil by letting bepenised folx into women-only rape crisis centers in Greater Manchester. Neither by prescribing puberty blockers to teenage girls uncomfortable with their bodies. Etc.

Synthgirl

I didn’t say trans people were “uniquely vulnerable”. I also did not mention murder specifically. I’m not going to debate you anymore, it’s more than clear that I cannot provide answers to the question of what should be done in every situation involving trans people, and frankly after how rude your behavior toward myself and others on SCD has been, I don’t feel like I am obligated to humor you.

Synthgirl

Thank you, this really means a lot.

jadis

Well you do talk a lot about "not feeling safe." And as it happens I do believe that MTFs are vulnerable... to whatever it's called when others don't return to you or project back onto you your preferred self image. I should really brush up on my psychoanalysis cause they've got all the cool words for this stuff.

But it can be called the basic ambivalence of human condition. What makes life so interesting is that you don't know and can't control what others make of you. It's a back and forth between you and The Other where little is guaranteed.

"You will use my preferred pronouns and affirm my view of myself or I'll get you ****ing fired" is when you're afraid of life's inherent uncertainty and need to coerce others into compliance. A power thing. Power often comes in gentle guises: "you should show more consideration," "be kind," "if only you do this little thing there will be increase in the general happiness" etc