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Tristan_Geoff · 10-12-2023, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Synthgirl

She can say whatever she wants but telling trans people we are “knee jerking” over rhetoric that is helping ruin trans peoples lives is unhelpful and frankly comes off as dismissive of this very real issue.

I think you may have read it wrong bc WWWP's post looked like it was calling jadis knee-jerky.

WWWP is not a transphobe by any means to my knowledge

WWWP · 10-12-2023, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan_Geoff

I think you may have read it wrong bc WWWP's post looked like it was calling jadis knee-jerky.

WWWP is not a transphobe by any means to my knowledge

I was actually calling key knee-jerky. His post did not relate to jadis’ post further than surface level virtue signaling.

No hate though, key knows me.

Key · 10-12-2023, 01:28 PM

i was also trolling hardcore. idgaf about this place. i dont even dislike jadis tbh. i barely know them

Synthgirl · 10-12-2023, 01:30 PM

Oh gotcha. Sorry about that, I know I tend to be on edge during trans discussions.

Key · 10-12-2023, 01:31 PM

i mean i should apologize. i came in with a random quip and off i went. no worries on y'alls parts, im the culprit

WWWP · 10-12-2023, 01:52 PM

The takeaway is none of what is posted regarding social issues on an antiquated music forum is that serious.

But also like I do live in the capital of queer movements and am in a long term partnership with someone who is gender queer and my friend group/community is made up of all variations of queer/enby/trans/questioning folk so while I have never claimed to speak to the lived trans experience I am not exactly ignorant.

jadis · 10-12-2023, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP

The takeaway is none of what is posted regarding social issues on an antiquated music forum is that serious.

But also like I do live in the capital of queer movements and am in a long term partnership with someone who is gender queer and my friend group/community is made up of all variations of queer/enby/trans/questioning folk so while I have never claimed to speak to the lived trans experience I am not exactly ignorant.

The Montreal gayborhood is bigger than San Fran's, just saying

Synthgirl · 10-12-2023, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP

The takeaway is none of what is posted regarding social issues on an antiquated music forum is that serious.

But also like I do live in the capital of queer movements and am in a long term partnership with someone who is gender queer and my friend group/community is made up of all variations of queer/enby/trans/questioning folk so while I have never claimed to speak to the lived trans experience I am not exactly ignorant.

I gotcha, just a misunderstanding.

My default mood when taking about trans issues is to take this stuff seriously, it’s hard to help that after spending the past few years being exposed to and subjected to all manner of horrible transphobic verbal attacks. Not that you’re doing that, but any sort of trans discourse just puts me a bit on edge these days.

It’s not something I feel comfortable not taking seriously. Maybe that’s a flaw of mine.

Key · 10-12-2023, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Synthgirl

I gotcha, just a misunderstanding.

My default mood when taking about trans issues is to take this stuff seriously, it’s hard to help that after spending the past few years being exposed to and subjected to all manner of horrible transphobic verbal attacks. Not that you’re doing that, but any sort of trans discourse just puts me a bit on edge these days.

It’s not something I feel comfortable not taking seriously. Maybe that’s a flaw of mine.

I'd say it's a strength. It just shows you have passion and compassion

jadis · 10-12-2023, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Synthgirl

She can say whatever she wants but telling trans people we are “knee jerking” over rhetoric that is helping ruin trans peoples lives is unhelpful and frankly comes off as dismissive of this very real issue.

There are many issues at stake.

Your claim is always about the victimization of trans people. To listen to you, they're uniquely vulnerable (this emphasis is of course not unique to you: like everything you say, it's a canned activist talking point wheeled out every time, including in the UK, where J.K. Rowling lives). Let's talk about that for a moment.

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According to the Trans Murder Monitoring Project, which monitors trans murders worldwide, in 2019 there were 331 murders of trans and ‘gender-diverse’ people overall, with 160 of them (48 per cent) occurring in Brazil, 63 (19 per cent) in Mexico, 31 (9 per cent) in the US, 14 in Colombia, and 13 in Argentina. Nine occurred in Europe as a whole, including one in the UK. In 2018 meanwhile, of 369 murders, 167 (45 per cent) were recorded in Brazil, 71 (19 per cent) in Mexico, 28 in the US, 21 in Colombia, and 9 in Argentina. Sixteen were recorded in Europe as a whole, again including one in the UK.

Let's put this into a wider context

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In 2017 there were 63,880 homicides in Brazil, and in 2018 this dropped to a still staggering 51,000. The 2020 World Population Review classed Brazil as the seventh most murderous country in the world, with an average of 30.5 murders per 100,000 people. Mexico was sixteenth with 19. Another fact worthy of note is that, according to the Trans Murder Monitoring Project, 61 per cent of trans people murdered in 2019 were in the sex trade. In 2018 the figure was 62 per cent.

To quote trans scholar Talia Mae Bettcher,

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Not all acts of violence against trans people need be transphobic in nature. A trans woman might be targeted not because of her trans status but because she is simply viewed as a sex worker.

Thus it would appear that the vulnerability of sex workers in Latin America is what we should be talking about. It's a hugely complex social issue having to do with plenty of things from the consequences of the ****ing disastrous US War on Drugs to corrupt police forces to the inherent dangers of street prostitution to, obviously, prejudice against gender nonconforming people in Latin America.

How do you address those? Not a clue. But the stuff J.K. Rowling talks about in the British context has nothing to do with any of that. You won't improve the conditions of sex workers in Brazil by letting bepenised folx into women-only rape crisis centers in Greater Manchester. Neither by prescribing puberty blockers to teenage girls uncomfortable with their bodies. Etc.

10-12-2023, 01:28 PM	#77313 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	i was also trolling hardcore. idgaf about this place. i dont even dislike jadis tbh. i barely know them

10-12-2023, 01:30 PM	#77314 (permalink)
Synthgirl Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Cheeseland USA Posts: 162	Oh gotcha. Sorry about that, I know I tend to be on edge during trans discussions.

10-12-2023, 01:31 PM	#77315 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	i mean i should apologize. i came in with a random quip and off i went. no worries on y'alls parts, im the culprit