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Frownland 01-17-2022 12:43 PM
He did in the first part of the post.

Marie Monday 01-17-2022 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jadis (Post 2196998)
For example, the societal division in pre-Revolutionary Russia was based on "sosloviya" (such as nobility, clergy, peasants, merchants, townsmen etc), not classes. In order to bring society towards something resembling Marxist ideas of class the communists had to do a lot of purges of "counterrevolutionary class enemies" in the 1920s and 1930s and even then a lot of confusion remained.
Getting back to this: maybe we're defining 'class' differently, but I assume some of these sosloviya had a higher social status than others, and there would be differences between culture, language etc. between some of these groups. To me that counts as a class: a social hierarchy mainly determined by birth, with cultural and often economic consequences

Mucha na Dziko 01-17-2022 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2197022)
He did in the first part of the post.
He didn't.

One thing is not "a lot".

Especially when even that one thing wasn't actually bull****. He thought of that statement as bull**** because of his own views on the world. While "bull****" is something that refers to facts.

Frownland 01-17-2022 01:36 PM
It's either naive or dishonest to frame opportunity for the beaten down as the oppression of the privileged or "exactly the same" as capitalist oppression though. Saying "bull****" is just a more direct way of saying that you're ignoring facts that make your statements untrue.

jadis 01-17-2022 02:00 PM
If you describe Soviet-style social engineering as offering "opportunity for the beaten down" then it's not Mucha who's ignoring the facts. If we're talking in the abstract, then yes, "opportunity for the beaten down" is a perfectly nice idea.

Frownland 01-17-2022 02:03 PM
Solid point, mr. psyop.

Mucha na Dziko 01-18-2022 03:33 PM
yeah, I just suppose you're a dumbass

The Batlord 01-18-2022 04:01 PM
I feel like posting someone's private message is a rule violation. Either way it's a bitch move.

Marie Monday 01-18-2022 04:05 PM
Not sure if it officially is, but I consider it one. Bitch move, Elph. Be warned.

jadis 01-18-2022 04:32 PM
Mucha, you're a bright and talented guy. But you gotta develop a thicker skin. Who cares what some random guy on the internet thinks about you?


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