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Trollheart · 01-17-2022, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

A library card is free. I know you just want a peace of paper so you don't have to feel like the hoi polloi.

I think not wasting thousands of dollars on a vanity degree is a pretty good life choice.

* piece

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Oh and look at all these preppy middle class bitches coming out the wood works. Acting like I just **** on their identities cause I told some dude not to go to college.

*woodwork.

Now who needs to learn English? You misspell? That's unpossible!

The Batlord · 01-17-2022, 06:26 AM

Get back to your filth farming, paddy, or I'll tell the king you were besmirching St. George's cross.

jadis · 01-17-2022, 06:36 AM

Having spent a lot of time on east coast campuses, I can honestly say I have almost nothing in common with preppie WASPs. Different culture, different social etiquette, different interests, different goals in life, different everything. Different sexual tastes even (every preppy WASP guy I know is into girls who look like Marnie from Girls and also like all their moms).

To quote Carter again, "to look like a preppy, to feel like a preppy, does
not mean one becomes a preppy, since the essence of being a preppy is being second generation middle class. A decision about the kind of education you are to receive which is taken in early adolescence, is a decision that is taken for you."

My upbringing includes a family of Soviet immigrants and Montreal's francophone public school system. People from expensive private schools in Massachusetts had completely different socialization from mine. Not better or worse or more or less privileged, but just completely different.

jadis · 01-17-2022, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah Croatians are either Prime Ministers or dirt farmers, right?

I'm thinking of late-Soviet and post-Soviet Russia tbh. Whatever went on there in the 1980s and 1980s, "class" is not a great explanatory tool for it.

The Batlord · 01-17-2022, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jadis

Having spent a lot of time on east coast campuses, I can honestly say I have almost nothing in common with preppie WASPs. Different culture, different social etiquette, different interests, different goals in life, different everything. Different sexual tastes even (every preppy WASP guy I know is into girls who look like Marnie from Girls and also like all their moms).

To quote Carter again, "to look like a preppy, to feel like a preppy, does
not mean one becomes a preppy, since the essence of being a preppy is being second generation middle class. A decision about the kind of education you are to receive which is taken in early adolescence, is a decision that is taken for you."

My upbringing includes a family of Soviet immigrants and Montreal's francophone public school system. People from expensive private schools in Massachusetts had completely different socialization from mine. Not better or worse or more or less privileged, but just completely different.

So the difference between you and a WASP is that you are Catholic.

The Batlord · 01-17-2022, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jadis

I'm thinking of late-Soviet and post-Soviet Russia tbh. Whatever went on there in the 1980s and 1980s, "class" is not a great explanatory tool for it.

Actual Croatians.

jadis · 01-17-2022, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

So the difference between you and a WASP is that you are Catholic.

Yes, if there's one thing immigrants from the former USSR are famous for, it's being Catholic.

You are giving neckbeards who learn everything they know from 90 IQ Twitch streamers a bad name rn

The Batlord · 01-17-2022, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jadis

Yes, if there's one thing immigrants from the former USSR are famous for, it's being Catholic.

You are giving neckbeards who learn everything they know from 90 IQ Twitch streamers a bad name rn

You just said you were French.

**Marie Monday** · 01-17-2022, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Culturally yes.

Wrong

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Originally Posted by jadis

Whatever was the structure of society in the countries that spent several decades under communist dictatorships, it had little to do with the tripartite division into working, middle and upper classes.

In general, every society has its divisions into groups based on, among others, wealth and access to education; but "class" invokes the divisions characteristic of the industrial society in the 19th century with regards to "means of production" and thus has limited application in other contexts.

I'm not so sure about the latter statement. Classes shift a bit, but at its core class evokes something much more general than 19th century societal divisions. It existed long before and after that without super fundamental changes. I've never been to eastern Europe though so it's hard to judge how things work there

Mucha na Dziko · 01-17-2022, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jadis

Whatever was the structure of society in the countries that spent several decades under communist dictatorships, it had little to do with the tripartite division into working, middle and upper classes.

Nope, it is and it was exactly the same.
The only difference is that in capitalist societies the middle/upper class was glorified, while in the so-called communist ones it was the working class that was glorified.

Also, in the capitalist societies it’s the working class that is being opressed, while in the „communist” ones it was the middle class.
An example would be that if you wanted to go to a university you’d get bonus points for being a farmboy or a factory worker, and you might get minus points for being a child of a profesor.

It’s just that usually in the soviet countries the name „middle class” wasn’t used, it was rather called „inteligentsia”.
And everybody who wasn’t working their ass off in a factory basically belonged to that group: teachers, scholars, artists, dentists, you name it.

The working class were the factory workers and the farmers, while the „upper class” were the party officials, etc.

It’s the same really.

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jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,359	Having spent a lot of time on east coast campuses, I can honestly say I have almost nothing in common with preppie WASPs. Different culture, different social etiquette, different interests, different goals in life, different everything. Different sexual tastes even (every preppy WASP guy I know is into girls who look like Marnie from Girls and also like all their moms). To quote Carter again, "to look like a preppy, to feel like a preppy, does not mean one becomes a preppy, since the essence of being a preppy is being second generation middle class. A decision about the kind of education you are to receive which is taken in early adolescence, is a decision that is taken for you." My upbringing includes a family of Soviet immigrants and Montreal's francophone public school system. People from expensive private schools in Massachusetts had completely different socialization from mine. Not better or worse or more or less privileged, but just completely different.