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Old 01-17-2022, 06:21 AM   #76741 (permalink)
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Oh and look at all these preppy middle class bitches coming out the wood works. Acting like I just **** on their identities cause I told some dude not to go to college.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:26 AM   #76742 (permalink)
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Get back to your filth farming, paddy, or I'll tell the king you were besmirching St. George's cross.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:36 AM   #76743 (permalink)
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Having spent a lot of time on east coast campuses, I can honestly say I have almost nothing in common with preppie WASPs. Different culture, different social etiquette, different interests, different goals in life, different everything. Different sexual tastes even (every preppy WASP guy I know is into girls who look like Marnie from Girls and also like all their moms).

To quote Carter again, "to look like a preppy, to feel like a preppy, does
not mean one becomes a preppy, since the essence of being a preppy is being second generation middle class. A decision about the kind of education you are to receive which is taken in early adolescence, is a decision that is taken for you."

My upbringing includes a family of Soviet immigrants and Montreal's francophone public school system. People from expensive private schools in Massachusetts had completely different socialization from mine. Not better or worse or more or less privileged, but just completely different.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:39 AM   #76744 (permalink)
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Yeah Croatians are either Prime Ministers or dirt farmers, right?
I'm thinking of late-Soviet and post-Soviet Russia tbh. Whatever went on there in the 1980s and 1980s, "class" is not a great explanatory tool for it.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:51 AM   #76745 (permalink)
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Having spent a lot of time on east coast campuses, I can honestly say I have almost nothing in common with preppie WASPs. Different culture, different social etiquette, different interests, different goals in life, different everything. Different sexual tastes even (every preppy WASP guy I know is into girls who look like Marnie from Girls and also like all their moms).

To quote Carter again, "to look like a preppy, to feel like a preppy, does
not mean one becomes a preppy, since the essence of being a preppy is being second generation middle class. A decision about the kind of education you are to receive which is taken in early adolescence, is a decision that is taken for you."

My upbringing includes a family of Soviet immigrants and Montreal's francophone public school system. People from expensive private schools in Massachusetts had completely different socialization from mine. Not better or worse or more or less privileged, but just completely different.
So the difference between you and a WASP is that you are Catholic.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:56 AM   #76746 (permalink)
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I'm thinking of late-Soviet and post-Soviet Russia tbh. Whatever went on there in the 1980s and 1980s, "class" is not a great explanatory tool for it.
Actual Croatians.

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Old 01-17-2022, 07:04 AM   #76747 (permalink)
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So the difference between you and a WASP is that you are Catholic.
Yes, if there's one thing immigrants from the former USSR are famous for, it's being Catholic.

You are giving neckbeards who learn everything they know from 90 IQ Twitch streamers a bad name rn
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Old 01-17-2022, 07:33 AM   #76748 (permalink)
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Yes, if there's one thing immigrants from the former USSR are famous for, it's being Catholic.

You are giving neckbeards who learn everything they know from 90 IQ Twitch streamers a bad name rn
You just said you were French.
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Old 01-17-2022, 07:39 AM   #76749 (permalink)
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Culturally yes.
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Whatever was the structure of society in the countries that spent several decades under communist dictatorships, it had little to do with the tripartite division into working, middle and upper classes.

In general, every society has its divisions into groups based on, among others, wealth and access to education; but "class" invokes the divisions characteristic of the industrial society in the 19th century with regards to "means of production" and thus has limited application in other contexts.
I'm not so sure about the latter statement. Classes shift a bit, but at its core class evokes something much more general than 19th century societal divisions. It existed long before and after that without super fundamental changes. I've never been to eastern Europe though so it's hard to judge how things work there
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Old 01-17-2022, 07:45 AM   #76750 (permalink)
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Whatever was the structure of society in the countries that spent several decades under communist dictatorships, it had little to do with the tripartite division into working, middle and upper classes.
Nope, it is and it was exactly the same.
The only difference is that in capitalist societies the middle/upper class was glorified, while in the so-called communist ones it was the working class that was glorified.

Also, in the capitalist societies it’s the working class that is being opressed, while in the „communist” ones it was the middle class.
An example would be that if you wanted to go to a university you’d get bonus points for being a farmboy or a factory worker, and you might get minus points for being a child of a profesor.

It’s just that usually in the soviet countries the name „middle class” wasn’t used, it was rather called „inteligentsia”.
And everybody who wasn’t working their ass off in a factory basically belonged to that group: teachers, scholars, artists, dentists, you name it.

The working class were the factory workers and the farmers, while the „upper class” were the party officials, etc.

It’s the same really.
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