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OccultHawk · 01-10-2021, 03:05 PM

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You can have a brain without a mind but you can't have a mind without a brain

I can still have legs if I’m paralyzed.

**Marie Monday** · 01-10-2021, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Since the person would have to be dead, yes.

omg no. A mind thinks. A dead brain doesn't think.

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I can still have legs if I’m paralyzed.

yes, because in this case the legs correspond to the brain, not the mind.

**Marie Monday** · 01-10-2021, 03:37 PM

So let me try to explain it another way. The mistake you make is that you think that when someone says a brain is different from a mind, because both are linked to the same physical object, they must mean there's some other mystery ingredient to the mind than the pure physical thing. That's not true. Example: numerals and numbers are different things, even though they're linked to the same physical object, and there's no mystical stuff involved.

OccultHawk · 01-10-2021, 03:39 PM

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omg no. A mind thinks. A dead brain doesn't think.

A mind thinks? So are you saying the brain doesn’t think then? That it’s the (((mind))) that thinks?

If the brain is dead whatever y’all are imagining the mind to be is dead too. Unless this mythical unidentifiable creature lives on with the caspers in spirit town.

WWWP · 01-10-2021, 03:42 PM

@Marie Exactly. That's what makes this all Cartesian nonsense. **** your mind/body problem, it's all chemicals and crossing wires. Go light another furnace, René pfffft.

OH is being intellectually dishonest, to what end I dont know. But it's exhausting.

**Marie Monday** · 01-10-2021, 03:43 PM

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A mind thinks? So are you saying the brain doesn’t think then? That it’s the (((mind))) that thinks?

If the brain is dead whatever y’all are imagining the mind to be is dead too. Unless this mythical unidentifiable creature lives on with the caspers in spirit town.

that's just linguistics. The mind is thought, the brain is the vehicle for that thought. A brain can be dead but it's still a brain. There's just no thought in it anymore, so the mind is no more. That does NOT mean the thought is a mystical thing which can go spook about, see my last post

OccultHawk · 01-10-2021, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

So let me try to explain it another way. The mistake you make is that you think that when someone says a brain is different from a mind, because both are linked to the same physical object, they must mean there's some other mystery ingredient to the mind than the pure physical thing. That's not true. Example: numerals and numbers are different things, even though they're linked to the same physical object, and there's no mystical stuff involved.

Either they’re the same thing or they’re different. If they’re different it has to be a non-material difference because if it’s exactly the same physical material it’s not different.

**Marie Monday** · 01-10-2021, 03:47 PM

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Either they’re the same thing or they’re different. If they’re different it has to be a non-material difference because if it’s exactly the same physical material it’s not different.

correct! we're getting somewhere. The difference is just conceptual. It's really not a revolutionary profound thing, which is what I'm trying to explain

I mean you're correct except that what I'm trying to show here is that things can correspond to the same thing physically and not be the same thing, because of his conceptual difference

OccultHawk · 01-10-2021, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

that's just linguistics. The mind is thought, the brain is the vehicle for that thought. A brain can be dead but it's still a brain. There's just no thought in it anymore, so the mind is no more. That does NOT mean the thought is a mystical thing which can go spook about, see my last post

Then the living brain is thought. So thought is strictly material. It’s not just semantics. It’s the correction of a misunderstanding that is the cornerstone of psychology.

WWWP · 01-10-2021, 03:52 PM

No one else can experience or truly witness your thought. It's not material.