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Old 01-09-2021, 05:48 PM   #73411 (permalink)
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no ****, originally religion (or supernatural/spiritual beliefs in general) are a way of facing death; organised religion has grown into something very different. Also, I think you're exaggerating: it is a very primitive way to deal with facing death, I think as humankind progresses we can handle it in a more mature way

that's but I'm really not tbh
I tell everyone the same thing. Read Denial of Death

Belief in an afterlife, which is extraordinarily moronic, seems to be the default psychological position and it might take an evolutionary change in gray matter to change that.
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Old 01-09-2021, 06:02 PM   #73412 (permalink)
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Really? Religion isn't more niche than hierarchy? Religion itself uses hierarchical structures.

Religion hasn't even become obsolete, it's just less powerful than it once was. Specifically in the west and certain Asian countries. But vast swaths of the globe still live with religion dominating their lives to this day. And in the west, the basic need for spirituality remains part of the human condition and modernity has only shifted the way that we find outlets for that.

Hierarchy is even more entrenched and is applied to virtually every form of human organization and cooperation. The fact that it can pose problems doesn't mean it's obsolete. For it to be obsolete you need a viable alternative that can outcompete and outperform hierarchical structures. I'm
not sure that's even possible, but if it is we're a long way from it at this point.
religion as an institution is more niche than hierarchy, but the aspect of dealing with death and other unknown things (which is still a part of it) is as fundamental as it gets, I think. Of course neither religion nor hierarchy has become obsolete, but I think it could be. At least religion, with hierarchy I'm not so sure
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Old 01-09-2021, 06:13 PM   #73413 (permalink)
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I don't think it's non-negotiable. I just think it's easy to land on a more comfortable idea and people will jump at comfort and that's a hard trend to stop. But the more comfort people have the less they "require" a religion even if it's still tempting.
When death is knocking right up close people’s brains start doing all sorts of gymnastics
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religion as an institution is more niche than hierarchy, but the aspect of dealing with death and other unknown things (which is still a part of it) is as fundamental as it gets, I think. Of course neither religion nor hierarchy has become obsolete, but I think it could be. At least religion, with hierarchy I'm not so sure
When technology gets deeper into our evolution ain’t nobody knows what’s possible but “we” aren’t gonna be “us” no more
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who said anything about technology?
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When death is knocking right up close people’s brains start doing all sorts of gymnastics
1. So logically speaking we should be getting more religious rather than less religious since this near death religious spike in consciousness should be influencing the human race to greater and greater deliciousness with each generation?

2. Are you more religious now that you are closer to death than you were ten years ago?

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What the **** are you talking about?
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who said anything about technology?
I did. Goddamn. You forget your midol or some ****?
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What the **** are you talking about?
Goddamn. Take a ****ing midol.

I’m talking about what it might take for us as a species to overcome obstacles like hierarchy and religion.
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I did. Goddamn. You forget your midol or some ****?
Is that a pms joke? Are you gonna tell me to smile next? That's some male chauvinism right there

Also I don't think technology is going to solve our dependence on hierarchies or religion
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1. So logically speaking we should be getting more religious rather than less religious since this near death religious spike in consciousness should be influencing the human race to greater and greater deliciousness with each generation?

2. Are you more religious now that you are closer to death than you were ten years ago?
1) not necessarily- just because something exists doesn’t mean it’s evolutionarily advantageous

2) no my atheism is the same as it ever was

I’m talking about like Ted Bundy with a knife at your throat ****

At my most frighteningly sick it was hard to wrap my head around the nothingness on the other side - I think that’s highly involuntary ****
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