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OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 04:20 PM

Didn’t he go to Russia for some quack treatment where they induce a coma?

~~jwb~~ · 01-09-2021, 04:31 PM

Yeah. And then made a video talking about how he became addicted and how it was a physical addiction not a psychological addiction, a distinction that is supposed to detract from the stigma of being an addict. Which is stupid. Because there's no such thing as a physical dependency without a psychological dependency. You can have a psychological dependency without a physical dependency, as in no withdrawal symptoms, but if you get to the point of a physical dependency then you absolutely also have a psychological dependency on that drug. You have triggers and patterns of use etc that will outlast any physical withdrawal symptoms. I think he just made that distinction to make him look less hypocritical for preaching the self help **** and clean your room **** while his room was on fire. I don't respect that at all.

The Batlord · 01-09-2021, 04:40 PM

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Not exactly, more that it's not necessarily always bad. That some amount of hierarchy is necessary for society to function but it should be questioned to prevent tyranny. Like I said, very mundane stuff. I was on a lot of drugs and like i said he was very verbose about it all so after a year of listening to him it got old and he started repeating the same tropes and i realized it wasn't that deep, just dressed up with language. I agree with you that he's a grifter. But when people take the message that he's promoting social darwinism and that kind of thing they are misundersanding what he says which is sorta what made me ignore the haters for so long because they sounded like they had no clue what he was even saying. Once I saw the videos about what post modernism actually is then i started to see the grift. Then the benzo thing just put the nail in the coffin. RIP

I'm not talking about the internal consistency of his position but that his conscious approach to communicating his position was to dog whistle to people who'd be buying his books a basically naturalistic fallacy.

**Marie Monday** · 01-09-2021, 04:49 PM

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No because the naturalistic fallacy is saying something is morally good because it's natural. He's not saying that. He's saying that its not just an arbitrary social convention, that it emerges in nature in quite primitive forms of life based on basic utility.

If that's the definition of a naturalistic fallacy then sure, but like Bat said it seems like he's implying that that means hierarchies tend to be useful to us, or that they're more or less inevitable, and that is at least adjacent to a naturalistic fallacy. I see how it's being misunderstood though.

OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 05:00 PM

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Yeah. And then made a video talking about how he became addicted and how it was a physical addiction not a psychological addiction, a distinction that is supposed to detract from the stigma of being an addict. Which is stupid. Because there's no such thing as a physical dependency without a psychological dependency. You can have a psychological dependency without a physical dependency, as in no withdrawal symptoms, but if you get to the point of a physical dependency then you absolutely also have a psychological dependency on that drug. You have triggers and patterns of use etc that will outlast any physical withdrawal symptoms. I think he just made that distinction to make him look less hypocritical for preaching the self help **** and clean your room **** while his room was on fire. I don't respect that at all.

I couldn’t find it. I found this

He says he didn’t understand the addictive power of benzos...

Uh whaaaa? That makes about as much sense as a hip hop fan saying they never heard of Run-DMC.

If you have a link to the video you were talking about I’d like to watch it unless it’s an hour long or something

OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 05:01 PM

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If that's the definition of a naturalistic fallacy then sure, but like Bat said it seems like he's implying that that means hierarchies tend to be useful to us, or that they're more or less inevitable, and that is at least adjacent to a naturalistic fallacy. I see how it's being misunderstood though.

Have you ever listened to the guy?

The Batlord · 01-09-2021, 05:06 PM

Yeah sure he sounds like a college professor trying to impart esoteric knowledge you're not ready for but that he must prepare you for.

**Marie Monday** · 01-09-2021, 05:09 PM

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Have you ever listened to the guy?

I saw parts of that debate he did one time, that was more than enough

~~jwb~~ · 01-09-2021, 05:14 PM

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I'm not talking about the internal consistency of his position but that his conscious approach to communicating his position was to dog whistle to people who'd be buying his books a basically naturalistic fallacy.

I can agree with that to an extent, like I said he is careful with his words but he positions himself as a centrist in a world that is shifting left so essentially he is trying to pitch a viable modern form of conservative reactionism without committing hismelf too much.

But there is a distinction to be drawn between pointing out that something might have a basic natural utility and that it exists for that reason rather than just as a an arbitrary social construct vs saying that because it's natural it's morally good. Case in point: the cartels use a very effective form of hierarchy. The utility of their hierarchical structure is self evident and very effective. That doesn't mean it's a morally good thing that they're doing. But the heirarchy exists because it works. The world is a cut throat place.

The Batlord · 01-09-2021, 05:21 PM

Religion exists because it works. But the contradictions between religion and society have grown and grown and grown because their is a central contradiction between faith and fact. I'd say there's a similar contradiction between hierarchy and freedom. The movement towards freedom grows and grows because there's no reason person A should magically be able to dictate to person B but the coordination possibilities of hierarchy grind against that basic idea.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Yeah. And then made a video talking about how he became addicted and how it was a physical addiction not a psychological addiction, a distinction that is supposed to detract from the stigma of being an addict. Which is stupid. Because there's no such thing as a physical dependency without a psychological dependency. You can have a psychological dependency without a physical dependency, as in no withdrawal symptoms, but if you get to the point of a physical dependency then you absolutely also have a psychological dependency on that drug. You have triggers and patterns of use etc that will outlast any physical withdrawal symptoms. I think he just made that distinction to make him look less hypocritical for preaching the self help ** and clean your room ** while his room was on fire. I don't respect that at all.