Trollheart

Everyone laughs at your penis.
We're all dicks at MB amirite?

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Marie Monday

I know. I didnt mean it literally

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jwb

It's a response to the general oversimplification that hierarchies are just arbitrary social constructs imposed in order to maintain the patriarchy. It comes close to the naturalistic fallacy but it's not quite that because he does stress that it's important to question hierarchies, he just thinks the left is dogmatically opposed to heirarchy of any form despite its natural utility and ubiquity. Once again pointing out that we're far away from lobsters misses the point. That's the entire point is that we're so far removed from them yet we can point to very basic similarities and structures that have maintained themselves in some form or another for billions of years. That's how useful they are.

So his whole shtick is to say we need a left to question hierarchies and traditions and we also need conservatives to preserve the useful hierarchies and traditions. It's a rather mundane and middle of the road message but because of his verbose and pretentious way of conveying things it gets misconstrued from both sides. He has legions of fans who take the wrong message from what he says and legions of haters who do the same. I think it is intentional on his part. He is careful with his words so you can't pin him down but he is vaguely giving the impression of a basic reactionary hold on to your traditions message like elph said.

Like I said I'm not defending him or his character. I lost all respect I might have had for him when I found out about him hiding his benzo addiction while preaching self help. But there is some substance to some of the stuff he says that people who jump on the hate bandwagon don't even seem to have grasped when they mock him.

As for elph saying I'm giving him too much credit... I'm just paraphrasing what he himself has said many times. I listened to him for like a good year so I think I'm more familiar than you are.

The Batlord

If that's all he's saying then he's definitely a grifter for being so obtuse about such a boring position.

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Marie Monday

@ jwb Fair enough, but it still seems like a naturalistic fallacy to me. If he points out that we should question hierarchies then that's fine, but that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he brings up hierarchies being ubiquitous in nature as an argument for their usefullness to humans.

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Frownland

I was ****ting on kermit before it was cool.

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jwb

No because the naturalistic fallacy is saying something is morally good because it's natural. He's not saying that. He's saying that its not just an arbitrary social convention, that it emerges in nature in quite primitive forms of life based on basic utility.

jwb

nobody has mocked him better than nick mullen from cumtown tbh

The Batlord

But it's his unstated implication that it is good because it is natural, no?

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jwb

Not exactly, more that it's not necessarily always bad. That some amount of hierarchy is necessary for society to function but it should be questioned to prevent tyranny. Like I said, very mundane stuff. I was on a lot of drugs and like i said he was very verbose about it all so after a year of listening to him it got old and he started repeating the same tropes and i realized it wasn't that deep, just dressed up with language. I agree with you that he's a grifter. But when people take the message that he's promoting social darwinism and that kind of thing they are misundersanding what he says which is sorta what made me ignore the haters for so long because they sounded like they had no clue what he was even saying. Once I saw the videos about what post modernism actually is then i started to see the grift. Then the benzo thing just put the nail in the coffin. RIP