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OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

lol are you trying to convince me to watch jordan peterson?

Idrgaf but if you’re interested enough to come to conclusions about what he’s talking about based on jwb’s take it just seems like why not just go to the source.

**Marie Monday** · 01-09-2021, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Perhaps religion is a psychological defense mechanism against facing death. It may be true or almost true that there are no atheists in foxholes. Something about getting close to death triggers something that’s non-negotiable psychologically. At least it seems that way to me.

no ****, originally religions (or supernatural/spiritual beliefs in general) are a way of facing death; organised religion has grown into something very different. Also, I think you're exaggerating: it is a very primitive way to deal with facing death, I think as humankind progresses we can handle it in a more mature way

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Idrgaf but if you’re interested enough to come to conclusions about what he’s talking about based on jwb’s take it just seems like why not just go to the source.

thanks but I'm really not tbh

The Batlord · 01-09-2021, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Perhaps religion is a psychological defense mechanism against facing death. It may be true or almost true that there are no atheists in foxholes. Something about getting close to death triggers something that’s non-negotiable psychologically. At least it seems that way to me.

I don't think it's non-negotiable. I just think it's easy to land on a more comfortable idea and people will jump at comfort and that's a hard trend to stop. But the more comfort people have the less they "require" a religion even if it's still tempting.

~~jwb~~ · 01-09-2021, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Dude I don't think for humans the purpose of religion is more niche at all. I think the comparison is apt insofar as the use of hierarchy and religion becomes obsolete if humankind progresses enough

Really? Religion isn't more niche than hierarchy? Religion itself uses hierarchical structures.

Religion hasn't even become obsolete, it's just less powerful than it once was. Specifically in the west and certain Asian countries. But vast swaths of the globe still live with religion dominating their lives to this day. And in the west, the basic need for spirituality remains part of the human condition and modernity has only shifted the way that we find outlets for that.

Hierarchy is even more entrenched and is applied to virtually every form of human organization and cooperation. The fact that it can pose problems doesn't mean it's obsolete. For it to be obsolete you need a viable alternative that can outcompete and outperform hierarchical structures. I'm
not sure that's even possible, but if it is we're a long way from it at this point.

OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

no ****, originally religion (or supernatural/spiritual beliefs in general) are a way of facing death; organised religion has grown into something very different. Also, I think you're exaggerating: it is a very primitive way to deal with facing death, I think as humankind progresses we can handle it in a more mature way

that's but I'm really not tbh

I tell everyone the same thing. Read Denial of Death

Belief in an afterlife, which is extraordinarily moronic, seems to be the default psychological position and it might take an evolutionary change in gray matter to change that.

**Marie Monday** · 01-09-2021, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Really? Religion isn't more niche than hierarchy? Religion itself uses hierarchical structures.

Religion hasn't even become obsolete, it's just less powerful than it once was. Specifically in the west and certain Asian countries. But vast swaths of the globe still live with religion dominating their lives to this day. And in the west, the basic need for spirituality remains part of the human condition and modernity has only shifted the way that we find outlets for that.

Hierarchy is even more entrenched and is applied to virtually every form of human organization and cooperation. The fact that it can pose problems doesn't mean it's obsolete. For it to be obsolete you need a viable alternative that can outcompete and outperform hierarchical structures. I'm
not sure that's even possible, but if it is we're a long way from it at this point.

religion as an institution is more niche than hierarchy, but the aspect of dealing with death and other unknown things (which is still a part of it) is as fundamental as it gets, I think. Of course neither religion nor hierarchy has become obsolete, but I think it could be. At least religion, with hierarchy I'm not so sure

OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 05:13 PM

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I don't think it's non-negotiable. I just think it's easy to land on a more comfortable idea and people will jump at comfort and that's a hard trend to stop. But the more comfort people have the less they "require" a religion even if it's still tempting.

When death is knocking right up close people’s brains start doing all sorts of gymnastics

OccultHawk · 01-09-2021, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

religion as an institution is more niche than hierarchy, but the aspect of dealing with death and other unknown things (which is still a part of it) is as fundamental as it gets, I think. Of course neither religion nor hierarchy has become obsolete, but I think it could be. At least religion, with hierarchy I'm not so sure

When technology gets deeper into our evolution ain’t nobody knows what’s possible but “we” aren’t gonna be “us” no more

**Marie Monday** · 01-09-2021, 05:25 PM

who said anything about technology?

The Batlord · 01-09-2021, 05:28 PM

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When death is knocking right up close people’s brains start doing all sorts of gymnastics

1. So logically speaking we should be getting more religious rather than less religious since this near death religious spike in consciousness should be influencing the human race to greater and greater deliciousness with each generation?

2. Are you more religious now that you are closer to death than you were ten years ago?

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When technology gets deeper into our evolution ain’t nobody knows what’s possible but “we” aren’t gonna be “us” no more

What the **** are you talking about?