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OccultHawk · 09-15-2020, 07:30 AM

A Japanese dude who has traveled the world, lives in trendy af Austin who doesn’t have rich af parents... really?

So exactly how did he support himself in what countries in South America?

Lucem Ferre · 09-15-2020, 04:13 PM

He never said he doesn't have rich parents.

OccultHawk · 09-15-2020, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

He never said he doesn't have rich parents.

I didn’t say he did.

I’m asking.

It’s pretty easy to call others names like class reductionist and claim the latest gender litmus test outweighs food stamps and minimum wages when the threat of homelessness isn’t pressing on you like the barrel of a gun.

It gets old being told it’s antiquated to reduce everything to money when you live in a world where everything is reduced to money. So yes I unapologetically say everything comes second to economic justice because it is absolutely true that everything comes second to nutrition and shelter. You know, the things you die if you don’t have.

Lucem Ferre · 09-15-2020, 07:08 PM

BTW, it's not just the progressive view on gender.

It's the scientifically accurate view on gender. These views literally came from science.

Why is there a war on science?

Edit: I blame the schools, actually.

OccultHawk · 09-15-2020, 07:43 PM

Can you explain this science?

Lucem Ferre · 09-15-2020, 08:02 PM

Roughly something about chromosome pairings not always matching the sex of the person and how gender brain patterns differ and people that identify as a specific gender typically have the brain pattern of the gender the identify as.

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Many of us learned in high school biology that sex chromosomes determine a baby’s sex, full stop: XX means it’s a girl; XY means it’s a boy. But on occasion, XX and XY don’t tell the whole story.

Today we know that the various elements of what we consider “male” and “female” don’t always line up neatly, with all the XXs—complete with ovaries, vagina, estrogen, female gender identity, and feminine behavior—on one side and all the XYs—testes, penis, testosterone, male gender identity, and masculine behavior—on the other. It’s possible to be XX and mostly male in terms of anatomy, physiology, and psychology, just as it’s possible to be XY and mostly female.

Each embryo starts out with a pair of primitive organs, the proto-gonads, that develop into male or female gonads at about six to eight weeks. Sex differentiation is usually set in motion by a gene on the Y chromosome, the SRY gene, that makes the proto-gonads turn into testes. The testes then secrete testosterone and other male hormones (collectively called androgens), and the fetus develops a prostate, scrotum, and penis. Without the SRY gene, the proto-gonads become ovaries that secrete estrogen, and the fetus develops female anatomy (uterus, vagina, and clitoris).

But the SRY gene’s function isn’t always straightforward. The gene might be missing or dysfunctional, leading to an XY embryo that fails to develop male anatomy and is identified at birth as a girl. Or it might show up on the X chromosome, leading to an XX embryo that does develop male anatomy and is identified at birth as a boy.

Genetic variations can occur that are unrelated to the SRY gene, such as complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS), in which an XY embryo’s cells respond minimally, if at all, to the signals of male hormones. Even though the proto-gonads become testes and the fetus produces androgens, male genitals don’t develop. The baby looks female, with a clitoris and vagina, and in most cases will grow up feeling herself to be a girl.

Which is this baby, then? Is she the girl she believes herself to be? Or, because of her XY chromosomes—not to mention the testes in her abdomen—is she “really” male?

If you can find the study it's where gender being a spectrum came from. It was like, from the 90s too, I think.

Lucem Ferre · 09-15-2020, 08:16 PM

It's out of my depths but I at least have a basic grasp of it mostly because I got curious on the science after HHbomberguy said the gender spectrum thing comes from an actually scientific article.

Just like I found out 60% of Russians wish the USSR never broke up after spooky scary commie said Russia never wanted to get rid of it even when they became disillusioned with the leadership. And as a man fed with American propaganda as my only understanding of the USSR my mind is blown.

Edit: It was actually higher too, but younger people that grew up in capitalist Russia oppose the USSR. Could be good old nostalgia but I don't think Germany has that same love for the Nazis.

OccultHawk · 09-16-2020, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

being a class reductionist is...not smart

but what I'm actually saying is that people rarely have real economic positions, they have social positions

Actually people really have economic positions.

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It's out of my depths

Gender is a social construct with spectrums within spectrums and what’s social must be science. There may be thousands of ways to be male or female or both or neither or in between but the binary nature of sex and reproduction in humans is XX XY and all the attempts to murky that indisputable fact might as well be climate change denialists pointing to weather fluctuations. Science is complicated so there’s always going to be a way to justify what you want it to be but some things don’t need convolution. You don’t need science on your side to respect people’s gender roles. Science is limited by language and thought paradigm. Science shouldn’t dictate our sense of humanity. Science isn’t necessarily our friend.

Lucem Ferre · 09-16-2020, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Actually people really have economic positions.

Gender is a social construct with spectrums within spectrums and what’s social must be science. There may be thousands of ways to be male or female or both or neither or in between but the binary nature of sex and reproduction in humans is XX XY and all the attempts to murky that indisputable fact might as well be climate change denialists pointing to weather fluctuations. Science is complicated so there’s always going to be a way to justify what you want it to be but some things don’t need convolution. You don’t need science on your side to respect people’s gender roles. Science is limited by language and thought paradigm. Science shouldn’t dictate our sense of humanity. Science isn’t necessarily our friend.

I just gave evidence that sex isn't actually binary though...

OccultHawk · 09-16-2020, 02:00 AM

OK Good job you guys males and females don’t get together and make babies

I see it now

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