Your Day

Anteater · 06-20-2020, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You're not having a critical discussion. You're Holocaust denying. It's a thing neo-Nazis do.

The Native Americans didn't die for the Funko Pop iteration of Judge Dredd.

The Batlord · 06-20-2020, 01:36 PM

Are you having a stroke, Fritz?

**Marie Monday** · 06-20-2020, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater

The point I'm making is that if your gonna take grievance with the past, you also have to have an understanding of what the actual alternatives were based on how people behaved back then. Before Cortes arrived in the New World and set things on the path we are on today, the Aztecs were well on their way to subjugating and/or violently massacring every other tribe on the North American continent. There was no magical bright future for anyone just because white people weren't in the picture. Every timeline is ****ed and all we have is the present moment.

So are we discussing history to make a point about how to improve the present, or are people going to make unscientific observations about how we got to this point? If people are going to argue with me because I pointed out the latter, then that doesn't bode well for any critical discussion.

Who is talking about a magical bright future? The only point is that American colonists committed a horrible genocide. This argument doesn't logically relate to that statement, and all attempts to fill in that logical blank do indeed make it sound like an attempt to excuse that genocide

Anteater · 06-20-2020, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarieMarie

Who is talking about a magical bright future? The only point is that American colonists committed a horrible genocide. This argument doesn't logically relate to that statement, and all attempts to fill in that logical blank do indeed make it sound like an attempt to excuse that genocide

When I see arguments saying that 15th through 17th century people can direct and control diseases to wipe out entire groups of people systematically, I question their understanding of history. This isn't that hard to understand.

WWWP · 06-20-2020, 01:46 PM

**Marie Monday** · 06-20-2020, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater

When I see arguments saying that 15th through 17th century people can direct and control diseases to wipe out entire groups of people systematically, I question their understanding of history. This isn't that hard to understand.

That has nothing to do with Aztecs, you're shifting arguments

But about this argument: it does not take control and direction of a disease to notice that it kills others and not you, and to abuse that observation. I don't know if this is what happened, but even if it didn't the genocide was horrible enough

The Batlord · 06-20-2020, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarieMarie

Who is talking about a magical bright future? The only point is that American colonists committed a horrible genocide. This argument doesn't logically relate to that statement, and all attempts to fill in that logical blank do indeed make it sound like an attempt to excuse that genocide

It is that though. Implicit behind all of his BS is that it's better them than us.

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater

When I see arguments saying that 15th through 17th century people can direct and control diseases to wipe out entire groups of people systematically, I question their understanding of history. This isn't that hard to understand.

Bohannon over here has killed common sense.

OccultHawk · 06-20-2020, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater

When I see arguments saying that 15th through 17th century people can direct and control diseases to wipe out entire groups of people systematically, I question their understanding of history. This isn't that hard to understand.

1) maybe you don’t know very much about the history of biological warfare
2) when do you think this genocide ended, professor

Anteater · 06-20-2020, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord

It is that though. Implicit behind all of his BS is that it's better them than us.

Lol, not even close. People from Spain, Portugal, England, etc. came to the North American continent. They traded goods and food. Dr. Fauci wasn't around to tell people to observe social distancing. These simple actions guaranteed that smallpox was going to spread. There was no malice or ill intent behind those particular actions (other stuff is a different story). The fact that individual racists wanted to weaponize smallpox several centuries later doesn't change this.

Other than Europeans staying in Europe and nobody leaving their countries of origin, how would you have changed the course of history to avoid these kinds of disease outbreaks?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

1) maybe you don’t know very much about the history of biological warfare
2) when do you think this genocide ended, professor

There were still around 15 million cases of smallpox every year circa 1967 or so. So I guess the "genocide" is slowing down?