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**Frownland** · 10-29-2020, 12:56 PM

Don't we require social norms to recognize who's disenfranchised as well as what's right and wrong?

Lucem Ferre · 10-29-2020, 12:57 PM

Idk, both ***got and retard are normal slurs to me and things I was raised using but me choosing not to use them often despite them being socially normal is my way of looking in the mirror.

**Marie Monday** · 10-29-2020, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

My point is we pick and choose what insults are acceptable based on social norms not on how much pain they inflict on the disenfranchised. So really I’m not that impressed with people getting all outraged about the word n igger when the way they think about language tells me if the lived 60 years ago they’d be using it as a matter of course. Because it’s just following social norms not genuinely reflecting on what’s right and wrong.

I know this argument will likely get me nowhere because **** that makes people really look in the mirror rarely does.

see my last post

~~jwb~~ · 10-29-2020, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

insults are by definition disrespectful; the difference lies in how many people you drag down in the disrespect: if it's more or less personal or encompasses a whole sexuality/race/etc.

By the way, you probably realise but as far as I'm concerned this whole discussion is way beyond anything personal about you.

That ban still stands if it's up to me, I don't recall jwb using the word since he came back but it might have slipped by me. Genuinely appreciate that Bat stopped using it btw

most truly affective insults have collateral damage

You mentioned previously you already acknowledge this but you draw a line somewhere so you see the f word as worse than bitch etc. I agree. I just have as different line than you. I wouldn't call someone the n word regardless of the context. It's bad enough that I don't use it. I used bitch more liberally than the f word. Same with retard. Even less serious are words like stupid, dumb, blind, etc. I don't disagree some words are more harmful than others. But all of these words embrace stigmas and stereotypes that affect entire groups of people. So we both have a line. My line is different from yours.

OccultHawk · 10-29-2020, 01:00 PM

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no. it's because all the other things you mention have never been marginalised by law, and people haven't been systematically killed over it

Honestly, if your IQ was 85 what do you think you would be doing to make a living?

Access to a better livelihood is absolutely life or death in a capitalist economy. Property is a legal term and without it you die in the cold. It’s absolutely systematic and the backbone of every western democracy.

~~jwb~~ · 10-29-2020, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Don't lie to yourself.

You'll still use it on the forum.

This is far from the first controversy. I'm fairly sure they had a ban threat on the word because Bats was using it all the time.

can you read? I said I still use it. I stopped when I first came back but I see other people using it so I figured why should I not get to also. But I'll stop. On here.

No offense to anyone who is actually illiterate btw. Not that you'll see this disclaimer anyway.

Lucem Ferre · 10-29-2020, 01:03 PM

Thinking wealth correlates with intelligence is such a bourgeois concept.

Lucem Ferre · 10-29-2020, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

can you read? I said I still use it. I stopped when I first came back but I see other people using it so I figured why should I not get to also. But I'll stop. On here.

No offense to anyone who is actually illiterate btw. Not that you'll see this disclaimer anyway.

And I said you won't stop. Meaning on here.

**Marie Monday** · 10-29-2020, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

most truly affective insults have collateral damage

You mentioned previously you already acknowledge this but you draw a line somewhere so you see the f word as worse than bitch etc. I agree. I just have as different line than you. I wouldn't call someone the n word regardless of the context. It's bad enough that I don't use it. I used bitch more liberally than the f word. Same with retard. Even less serious are words like stupid, dumb, blind, etc. I don't disagree some words are more harmful than others. But all of these words embrace stigmas and stereotypes that affect entire groups of people. So we both have a line. My line is different from yours.

that's true. I also think it's excusable (to a certain extent) to cross your own line a bit when you're really provoked

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Honestly, if your IQ was 85 what do you think you would be doing to make a living?

Access to a better livelihood is absolutely life or death in a capitalist economy. Property is a legal term and without it you die in the cold. It’s absolutely systematic and the backbone of every western democracy.

I'm pretty sure my brains won't ever make me rich, or even averagely wealthy. I know many smart poor people, but even when you admit that it's easier to get rich when you're smart I wouldn't say the average dumb person is so poor they die (certainly not in Holland of course)

Lucem Ferre · 10-29-2020, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

easier to get rich when you're smart

So I'm doomed to poverty?

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