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Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 08:48 AM

America has killed more Native Americans in their genocide than the Nazis have killed Jews. Not by a little but by around 11X the amount.

We've killed so many Native Americans that the planet literally cooled down because of it.

How is any American symbol not seen as a hate symbol on the same level as the Swaztika when we've done far more evil under that banner?

OccultHawk · 06-20-2020, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

America has killed more Native Americans in their genocide than the Nazis have killed Jews. Not by a little but by around 11X the amount.

We've killed so many Native Americans that the planet literally cooled down because of it.

How is any American symbol not seen as a hate symbol on the same level as the Swaztika when we've done far more evil under that banner?

Yeah. I laugh at people who wave the American flag but object to the confederate flag. The American flag is 100% hate speech. And unlike Nazi Germany, America is still at it.

Great point.

**Marie Monday** · 06-20-2020, 09:12 AM

1. Because America didn't lose a world war after committing a genocide
2. Because it happened in a different way. No other genocide in history has been so systematic as the holocaust, with the cold gruesomeness of concentration camps (but I'm not an expert on history so I might be wrong on this). That doesn't mean that the genocide on native Americans is much less horrible or that you're not right, see point 1.

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 09:55 AM

The Native American slaughter was much more systematic and much more successful than the Nazis.

90% and it never ended.

Then we forced them on small bits of land, that we're still trying to take more and more of where they are completely isolated and under resourced. I've had a lot of Native friends and all of them tell me how terrible reservations are.

So I think it's 1. and replace 2. with there not being enough Natives left to have a voice.

Anteater · 06-20-2020, 09:59 AM

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How is any American symbol not seen as a hate symbol on the same level as the Swaztika when we've done far more evil under that banner?

Because it just didn't work out that way. "Good" and "evil" are concepts that are determined by those who win. On the flipside, that's also how revolutions get justified even if people have to die for a cause to be realized - if you win, then you were the one who was right all along.

Of course, it isn't always that simple. But that's been the primary modus operandi for human beings since the dawn of the species.

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 10:32 AM

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Because it just didn't work out that way. "Good" and "evil" are concepts that are determined by those who win. On the flipside, that's also how revolutions get justified even if people have to die for a cause to be realized - if you win, then you were the one who was right all along.

Of course, it isn't always that simple. But that's been the primary modus operandi for human beings since the dawn of the species.

If you want to avoid an honest confrontation of self then sure.

grindy · 06-20-2020, 10:44 AM

AFAIK most native Americans died from illness. Without getting intentionally infected. The US is still despicable and disgusting though.

Lucem Ferre · 06-20-2020, 11:10 AM

It's hard to say what was or wasn't intentional.

OccultHawk · 06-20-2020, 11:13 AM

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AFAIK most native Americans died from illness. Without getting intentionally infected. The US is still despicable and disgusting though.

Keep in mind what terms like “westward expansion” “Jacksonian Democracy” and “manifest destiny” really mean.

The causes of death can be disputed but not the intent. It was an and still is an intentional systematic extermination directly in the interest white supremacy. And it’s still being celebrated.

I don’t think this is how Hitler is presented in German schools.

Anteater · 06-20-2020, 11:47 AM

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it's a bit like destroying the food supply

then saying the cause of death was malnutrition in the population, yes but c'mon

Not really the same thing. Nobody intentionally weaponized smallpox or even understood how bacteria or viruses worked.

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If you want to avoid an honest confrontation of self then sure.

To my earlier point, America is already seen as the "evil" of the world by a large number of countries.

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