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Old 02-08-2020, 09:57 AM   #68551 (permalink)
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I don't need to be the victim to be upset by it, it's called empathy.

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If what you said was derived out of empathy, you wouldn't have leapt to an accusation of bigotry after reading a normal question like what I asked. What you are doing is what a feminist would call "mansplaining". You aren't a Native American in 2020 America. How would you know what they are thinking and feeling at this particular point in time? Nobody here is advocating for Native American genocide.

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I'm just saying it's an overrated genocide

It was inevitable someone was eventually gonna find this place. It's inevitable they would bring urban diseases with them.

All the excessive "omg America is the worst country ever" self flagellation is just forced and corny.
I also think it was inevitable, though the specifics would have changed depending on what country made the most inroads. There is also a branch of history somewhere out there in the great macroverse where the Aztecs simply continued expanding their empire north and west, eventually enslaving and/or wiping out all of the other tribes in the continental U.S. within a century or so. If the conquistadors, Vikings, some African country, whatever had come to the New World at that point, there would have been one hell of a war.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:08 AM   #68552 (permalink)
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I'm not denying any charges of bigotry ftr
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:12 AM   #68553 (permalink)
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I also think it was inevitable, though the specifics would have changed depending on what country made the most inroads. There is also a branch of history somewhere out there in the great macroverse where the Aztecs simply continued expanding their empire north and west, eventually enslaving and/or wiping out all of the other tribes in the continental U.S. within a century or so. If the conquistadors, Vikings, some African country, whatever had come to the New World at that point, there would have been one hell of a war.
Nah. The Aztecs would still get murked.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:20 AM   #68554 (permalink)
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If what you said was derived out of empathy, you wouldn't have leapt to an accusation of bigotry after reading a normal question like what I asked.
I didn't accuse you of being a bigot I accused you of defending bigotry because you are.

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What you are doing is what a feminist would call "mansplaining".
No, that's actually not at all even remotely close to mansplaining and you obviously don't know what that term means.

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You aren't a Native American in 2020 America. How would you know what they are thinking and feeling at this particular point in time?
That's batlorded. If I saw somebody getting kicked in the balls and holding their nuts I don't need to be that person to know that they probably didn't enjoy it. I'm not even trying to speak on their behalf. I'm just offended by the idea that the Native genocide was justified.

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Nobody here is advocating for Native American genocide.
No, just justifying it. Just as you aren't advocating bigotry towards Natives, you're justifying it.

I know JWB is most likely joking and trying to push buttons but it's still more offensive to me than Elph's personal comments towards me. I'm sorry that you don't like the idea that people are free to think and feel their own thoughts and feelings and you believe you're the gatekeeper on what I'm aloud to be offended by.
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I know JWB is most likely joking and trying to push buttons but it's still more offensive to me than Elph's personal comments towards me. I'm sorry that you don't like the idea that people are free to think and feel their own thoughts and feelings and you believe you're the gatekeeper on what I'm aloud to be offended by.
It did start out somewhat facetiously and yet as usual I found myself defending it once attacked

But what i do believe is that the majority of people in North America died off by diseases which their immune systems couldn't handle. Which was largely a sort of convenient coincidence for the settlers, not an intentional campaign of biological warfare.

The actual raping and pillaging and atrocities that occurred was obviously not justified. But what prompted my initial comments was OH's over dramatic rendition of history that America is unredeemable while Germany isn't cause the US was built on genocide etc. The Holocaust was far worse and more recent than anything the US ever did.
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Do we have anyone on this forum who is an actual member of a Native American tribe?
Merit, right?

I have native blood but in like elizabeth warren percentages. Grew up next to the rez, like that means anything.
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I'm just saying it's an overrated genocide

It was inevitable someone was eventually gonna find this place. It's inevitable they would bring urban diseases with them.

All the excessive "omg America is the worst country ever" self flagellation is just forced and corny.
ugh god this just reminded me didn't trump talk about manifest destiny in the sotu? lol imperialist scum
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The Holocaust was far worse and more recent than anything the US ever did.
we literally have thousands of brown kids locked up in cages today right now in this moment.
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