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jwb 12-21-2019 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2096447)
naturalism isn't answering anything

it's again the default position

what you see is what you get
funny how it has only grown in prominence in the last 500 years or so.. being the "default" position.

jwb 12-21-2019 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2096451)
Ah so having an opinion on the nature of existence is being in a religion. Gotcha.
yea if the opinion is cohesive and maps onto a lot of other people influenced by the same literature, ideas etc

If it's not a religion it functions in the place of religion

The Batlord 12-21-2019 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096452)
funny how it has only grown in prominence in the last 500 years or so.. being the "default" position.
Yes it is the default logical position. The default logical position for anything is not magic.

Frownland 12-21-2019 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096450)
what I'm referring to isn't a vocal minority of atheists. Like I said there are two basic varieties. Scientific materialists and new age mystics. And if the two, scientific naturalism is the prolonger variety.
You probably won't believe me, but that doesn't make your point any more valid. *shrug*

The Batlord 12-21-2019 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096453)
yea if the opinion is cohesive and maps onto a lot of other people influenced the same literature, ideas etc

If it's not a religion it functions in the place of religion
Yeah see this is what I'm talking about when I say you're redefining religion until it becomes a useless word that doesn't really describe anything.

jwb 12-21-2019 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2096440)
Yeah that's an annoying one. Plenty of groupthink in atheism but again a bunch of people who agree on things do not constitute a religion. There are atheists who push the boundary though, but those tend to be people who converted from some religion they were really into.
its not coincidental

The groupthink is systematic because those positions manifest pretty naturally from the original stance taken on God/religion.

jwb 12-21-2019 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2096457)
not really relevant that humans are dumb dumbs on this

the answer naturalism gives is: "There exists an answer"
Actually I disagree

What it really is, is that you have to assume there's an answer to even indulge in naturalism. You can't actually ever be 100℅ sure that's right. That's the one leap of faith required.

jwb 12-21-2019 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2096457)
not really relevant that humans are dumb dumbs on this
sounds to me then that the default position for this species of so called dumb dumbs isn't Vulcan logic and pure rationality.

The Batlord 12-21-2019 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096459)
Actually I disagree

What it really is, is that you have to assume there's an answer to even indulge in naturalism. You can't actually ever be 100℅ sure that's right. That's the one leap of faith required.
Ahahahahaha. Yeah man there's no answer to some stuff, it's just like whoa man there it is what even the **** just happened I was just sitting there minding my own business and then a llama blinked into existence.

jwb 12-21-2019 05:18 PM
You ever hear tell of a fella by the name of Descartes, ya hayseed?


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