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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2092487)

Yeah, we need to end racism by teaching black people that none of their decisions matter and their lives will be ****ty anyway because of the man and teaching white people that none of their decisions matter because they are entitled, privileged pieces of ****. This will make the racial divide disappear in no time.

That's sort of the problem with entrenched power structures. They're entrenched. You can't critique them without the reality being depressing and horrific.

The US is especially ****ed up, sure, but I still think that a lot of the well-meaning liberal stuff just reinforces racial issues instead of fighting them.

I also don't think that only our choices matter. Obviously race, class, gender etc. play a big role. And they do in every country, being an immigrant I've encountered some dumb-ass ****, even in liberal Germany.
But we should still empower people to make the best of their lives, even and especially when they have limited leeway in doing that.

The problem is capitalism and it's a problem on a worldwide scale, your little American black-white issues are secondary af.

People will always find some dumb reason for some form of tribalism. Blue jeans or something. Doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to get better though.

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2092472)

Is there an agreed upon victimisation level at which personal accomplishments start to matter? Do you just have to be a minority, or are only visible minorities allowed? Is there some kind of special liberal paper bag test? What if you're super black but middle-class? What if you're white and middle class but are gay and have some kind of mental illness? What if you're trans but you grew up in an unusually accepting family and neighbourhood? How are those things visualised? Venn diagrams?

Recognizing the influence of privilege or lack thereof on life does not mean that personal decisions are meaningless. Autofelating as if you've built the earth beneath you to get where you are is just inherently obnoxious.

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2092497)

The problem is capitalism and it's a problem on a worldwide scale, your little American black-white issues are secondary af.

In Belgium, maybe, but the echoes of slavery are still ringing in the US. Many issues here are quite clearly driven by both. Where is the Venn diagram that shows us when racism doesn't count anymore?

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2092492)

I agree but it's kind of a strawman to really say that liberals think personal decisions don't matter. Yeah, people on here put a lot of stock into that but that's because a lot of them don't like admitting how much of their life is their fault.

I always see it as a the odds are stacked against you if you're this, this or this but that doesn't mean your goals are impossible. The defeatist attitude you're talking about is probably just as harmful as the boot licking polar opposite if not more.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2092496)

the onus is actually on whites to stop participating in a system that subjugates minorities

The onus is on everyone participating in those systems.

Kanye will solve racism in 2024 when he runs for POTUS.

Idk about POTUS. If we're gonna have God help run our government, then we should put him up as a SCOTUS where he'll get a life term.

Thanksgiving was nice but I got hit with a brutal sinus infection so it was hard to really do much without sneezing or thinking I was about to sneeze

Hope everyone had a nice day and has a fun extended weekend