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**Frownland** · 11-27-2019, 12:26 PM

The key takeaway from this discussion is that in light of the socio-economic factors that are escalating the obesity epidemic, we have a moral imperative to call newborn babies fat fucks.

WWWP · 11-27-2019, 12:37 PM

"That is not my experience, therefore it must not be true."

YorkeDaddy · 11-27-2019, 12:53 PM

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"That is not my experience, therefore it must not be true."

You’re disputing the points about food cost? Do you have a counter argument? I’m just using factual numbers of food costs at the grocery store where it’s possible, with just a little extra effort in terms of preparation and washing dishes, to have nutritious meals daily at an average cost that is significantly less than what people often consider to be the benchmark for cheap food i.e. McDonald’s or Taco Bell or whatever. If I should be thinking about this some other way please actually say so instead of being passive aggressive with these kinds of useless posts

**Frownland** · 11-27-2019, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

You’re disputing the points about food cost? Do you have a counter argument? I’m just using factual numbers of food costs at the grocery store where it’s possible, with just a little extra effort in terms of preparation and washing dishes, to have nutritious meals daily at an average cost that is significantly less than what people often consider to be the benchmark for cheap food i.e. McDonald’s or Taco Bell or whatever.

Healthy food being affordable is not a counter argument to unhealthy food being affordable.

Think about it like this. In your typical grocery store, what is the ratio of healthy to unhealthy foods? Which receives more marketing: healthy or unhealthy foods? You could never enter a grocery store and live off of Taco Bell and gas station foods (which you will be more likely to find in a low income area than a grocery store). What's the ratio of healthy to unhealthy foods in those places? If you were never introduced to meal planning growing up, which option sounds more affordable: $5 dinner today ready to go or $10 of more food than you need for tonight that goes bad quickly and involves extra work?

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If I should be thinking about this some other way please actually say so instead of being passive aggressive with these kinds of useless posts

You should try understanding other people pointing out that there's more to life than your personal experience instead of just dismissing them as useless.

YorkeDaddy · 11-27-2019, 01:28 PM

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Healthy food being affordable is not a counter argument to unhealthy food being affordable.

It is when one of the topics at hand is the degree to which the undeterminable percentage of the obese population actually has control and choice over the fact that they’re obese or not

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Think about it like this. In your typical grocery store, what is the ratio of healthy to unhealthy foods? Which receives more marketing: healthy or unhealthy foods? You could never enter a grocery store and live off of Taco Bell and gas station foods (which you will be more likely to find in a low income area than a grocery store). What's the ratio of healthy to unhealthy foods in those places? If you were never introduced to meal planning growing up, which option sounds more affordable: $5 dinner today ready to go or $10 of more food than you need for tonight that goes bad quickly and involves extra work?

In a typical grocery store the very first major section that is right in front of your face when you walk in is the produce section. They throw a giant beautiful collage of colorful health foods at you the very second you walk in the door. So I don’t think the healthy options are necessarily being hidden from people.

In terms of marketing I certainly agree. You see candy bars and soda in marketing way more than anything else.

The fact that there are areas where grocery stores with healthy options are unavailable or harder to find is certainly a good point.

The lack of knowledge and education on how to plan out a diet is definitely a problem, another good point there.

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You should try understanding other people pointing out that there's more to life than your personal experience instead of just dismissing them as useless.

The only context where I’ve brought up any personal experiences is where I talked about how I’ve managed to have a healthy diet for very cheap, which is only using objective numbers from what’s available at the stores where I live. I’m hardly deriving any points from my own life, I’m giving factual numbers. Unless the geographical difference is more severe than I think, but that’s a possibility that I’ve already acknowledged in another post

**Frownland** · 11-27-2019, 01:38 PM

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It is when one of the topics at hand is the degree to which the undeterminable percentage of the obese population actually has control and choice over the fact that they’re obese or not

Only if you ignore every other factor that influences the issue.

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In a typical grocery store the very first major section that is right in front of your face when you walk in is the produce section. They throw a giant beautiful collage of colorful health foods at you the very second you walk in the door. So I don’t think the healthy options are necessarily being hidden from people.

1. It's usually flowers which are not very healthy the last time I checked. They do that so to prime people to think that their food is fresh. It's why the meat is usually in the back, too, since it rots fastest.
2. I never suggested that healthy food is hidden.
3. Please answer the question

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The only context where I’ve brought up any personal experiences is where I talked about how I’ve managed to have a healthy diet for very cheap, which is only using objective numbers from what’s available at the stores where I live. I’m hardly deriving any points from my own life, I’m giving factual numbers. Unless the geographical difference is more severe than I think, but that’s a possibility that I’ve already acknowledged in another post

Cool beans! Talking about how much you pay for food while ignoring the other aspects that influence obesity, which you have never experienced, is definitely defining an issue by your own personal experiences.

Obesity rates don't rise to epidemic levels for no reason, and from where I'm sitting, a number of cultural and social factors have a marked influence on what we're seeing today.

YorkeDaddy · 11-27-2019, 01:38 PM

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having Free Will, choice, control whatever doesn't negate the influence of environment on choice

At no point in time have I denied that.

I would certainly argue, however, that there are many out there that have the means and knowledge to make better, healthier decisions for themselves and any reasoning for why they don’t is simply making weak excuses for being lazy and selfish.

**Frownland** · 11-27-2019, 01:41 PM

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I would certainly argue, however, that there are many out there that have the means and knowledge to make better, healthier decisions for themselves and any reasoning for why they don’t is simply making weak excuses for being lazy and selfish.

If you stopped hunting for justification for this argument, you'd probably understand my points better.

YorkeDaddy · 11-27-2019, 01:44 PM

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Only if you ignore every other factor that influences the issue.

Which is something I’m clearly not doing considering I’ve conceded on multiple occasions that you have made great points. This is a multi-faceted issue where some factors may be more important than others to certain people. There are rich people that are obese, and there are also poor people that are obese. The reasoning in either case could be dramatically different

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Cool beans! Talking about how much you pay for food while ignoring the other aspects that influence obesity, which you have never experienced, is definitely defining an issue by your own personal experiences.

It is unfair and disingenuous of you to keep saying I’m ignoring other aspects of the discussion, as I already highlighted above.

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Obesity rates don't rise to epidemic levels for no reason, and from where I'm sitting, a number of cultural and social factors have a marked influence on what we're seeing today.

And at the end of the day I think we could all agree that something needs to change but this is America we’re talking about so who the **** knows I guess

YorkeDaddy · 11-27-2019, 01:47 PM

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the day to day agony of living is enough to where I hardly judge people for doing what it takes to cope

Thats why we all need legal weed baby 420 blaze it

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