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**Frownland** · 10-27-2019, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Did society plant that in my head for me?

Yes. Hope that clears things up for you.

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Society got blown up in the 60s and 70s. 2019: Same sex marriage is everywhere. People can get by without cars. Pot is mostly legal. Suburbia, once a pretty black and white place, is now a Crayola 64 pack. Every decent sized city has ethic pockets where you could hang out and not even know you were in the US.

Lol nah, shifting away from America's traditional Christian conservative society is not the same as "blowing up society".

Lisnaholic · 10-27-2019, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie

.... and finding a different option if you don't want it is very hard

^ Yes, Marie. If you want to take a significantly different route, it can take a lot of courage, but one of the nice things about modern Western society is that it does allow for many variations from the norm. In Britain the big city centers are more used to the unusual and many young people drift there and hopefully find kindred spirits. Some lifestyles mean making sacrifices; relocating/finding new friends/being excluded from some jobs, etc. But here's a very uplifting book about a pioneer determined to be his own person against the odds. It's an easy-to-read autobiog and has been made into a film too. Both carry a coveted 4-star Lisna recommendation.

**Marie Monday** · 10-27-2019, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I just think 'society' is a cliche at this point. I remember society being go to church, work hard in school, marry someone from the opposite sex, buy a house with a white picket fence, spit out some kids. Dad brings home the bacon and mom cooks it up in a pan.

Society got blown up in the 60s and 70s. 2019: Same sex marriage is everywhere. People can get by without cars. Pot is mostly legal. Suburbia, once a pretty black and white place, is now a Crayola 64 pack. Every decent sized city has ethic pockets where you could hang out and not even know you were in the US.

Yep, time changes some things, for instance what a typical job or typical family looks like, but the idea remains the same

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Yes, Marie. If you want to take a significantly different route, it can take a lot of courage, but one of the nice things about modern Western society is that it does allow for many variations from the norm. In Britain the big city centers are more used to the unusual and many young people drift there and hopefully find kindred spirits. Some lifestyles mean making sacrifices; relocating/finding new friends/being excluded from some jobs, etc. But here's a very uplifting book about a pioneer determined to be his own person against the odds. It's an easy-to-read autobiog and has been made into a film too. Both carry a 4-star Lisna recommendation.

Cool! There are definitely alternatives, although they are probably very difficult to achieve, and I feel like people should not give up finding one that suits them if they want something different. I guess there isn't really much to lose, if you feel like a normal life is impossible for you

Trollheart · 10-27-2019, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I just think 'society' is a cliche at this point. I remember society being go to church, work hard in school, marry someone from the opposite sex, buy a house with a white picket fence, spit out some kids. Dad brings home the bacon and mom cooks it up in a pan.

Society got blown up in the 60s and 70s. 2019: Same sex marriage is everywhere. People can get by without cars. Pot is mostly legal. Suburbia, once a pretty black and white place, is now a Crayola 64 pack. Every decent sized city has ethic pockets where you could hang out and not even know you were in the US.

Update of my kid Mike for those who remember his darker days when I first joined here: About a year ago he got in the ground floor of this place:

https://www.deltaseparations.com/

He's now top management with a 401K, quarterly earnings, and $80K a year. I hate him....

Most of this was down to the IRA, in fairness....

Chula Vista · 10-27-2019, 10:47 AM

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Most of this was down to the IRA, in fairness....

I blame The Grateful Dead.

Speaking of Mike he just was mandatory evacuated because of the Kincade fire.

The Batlord · 10-27-2019, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Lol nah, shifting away from America's traditional Christian conservative society is not the same as "blowing up society".

He's a boomer, what do you expect?

Chula Vista · 10-27-2019, 11:06 AM

Boomer > Gen-X or Millennial

~~jwb~~ · 10-27-2019, 11:10 AM

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He makes some good points though. If you look around you at what people mean when they talk about an adult life, it's very much giving in and conforming to the path society wants you to take. Nothing wrong with doing that if it makes you happy, but if you feel like you can't or don't want to be a part of society you can't really be an adult, and just pulling yourself up and making something of your life is much harder and feels more pointless than it might seem to others, although I agree with JWB etc that you should never just give up.

It's not even about what makes you happy to me. I don't see how it's even a pragmatic option for most of us to say **** it and opt out of responsibility.

If someone says **** it to the career option and pursues something they care about more that isn't as lucrative, I don't knock that. That's not what I see here.

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Also, it's perfectly valid to have a discussion like this on a conceptual level without bringing up each other's life choices, but everyone resorts to that really quickly in this ongoing discussion and the result is that you're all being unfair to each other. It's just pretty pointless

*shrug*

I tried treating this argument with kid gloves in the past to avoid the defensiveness and vitriol it triggers. It doesn't work. The personal aspect always comes right away anyway. So I'm not going to mince words at this point.

Trollheart · 10-27-2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

He's a boomer, what do you expect?

The Batlord · 10-27-2019, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Boomer > Gen-X or Millennial

You people have been a disease on this earth and now we have to deal with the **** heap you've left while you latte swilling narcissists call us self-absorbed.

10-27-2019, 11:06 AM	#65507 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Boomer > Gen-X or Millennial __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”