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The Batlord · 10-18-2019, 07:32 PM

I mean it helps if you consider that the emotions of a sociopath probably aren't that developed. Sure Dexter's relationship with his wife doesn't make sense if you put it in real world terms but if you imagine him as an emotionally stunted little kid in the body of an adult who bonds with people simply by virtue of being around them and sharing in their struggles then you don't necessarily need a whole thesis on their relationship. He does also explain in the first season that he feels they've been put sort of on an equal footing of being ****ed up after everything she went through with her previous husband so their shared emotional growth is thematically linked giving them an equality that goes beneath his being a creepy robot in disguise.

~~jwb~~ · 10-18-2019, 07:35 PM

One of my problems was he was never a convincing sociopath to me.

I think that a true sociopathic serial killer wouldn't win over the audience so they had to inject morality into him somehow to make him a palatable protagonist.

Tony was much more of a sociopath and yet still strangely more likable. Cause he wasn't phony. He wasn't sanctimonious. He was real, flawed, and yet endearing.

OccultHawk · 10-18-2019, 07:36 PM

Tony Soprano was one of, if not the best, developed characters in the history of television. I mean, you gotta lower the bar and enjoy people getting killed son

If you want art wtf are you watching tv for?

OccultHawk · 10-18-2019, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

One of my problems was he was never a convincing sociopath to me.

I think that a true sociopath wouldn't win over the audience so they had to inject morality into him somehow to make him a palatable protagonist.

No **** Sherlock lol

~~jwb~~ · 10-18-2019, 07:41 PM

Well since batlord's response was he's a sociopath so his emotions aren't normal, I felt that was relavent.

The Batlord · 10-18-2019, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

One of my problems was he was never a convincing sociopath to me.

I think that a true sociopathic serial killer wouldn't win over the audience so they had to inject morality into him somehow to make him a palatable protagonist.

Tony was much more of a sociopath and yet still strangely more likable. Cause he wasn't phony. He wasn't sanctimonious. He was real, flawed, and yet endearing.

Like I said, Dexter's characterization is basically comic book logic and you just have to either roll with it or give up. And they absolutely did inject morality into him. Have you read any of the Dexter books? They're kinda ****ing boring cause Dexter doesn't really have any redeeming qualities and so there's nothing for the reader to latch onto and since they're just detective thriller trash they can't survive as "real literature". The TV show makes the correct choice in injecting morality into Dexter because otherwise the melodrama would fall as flat as the books.

The Batlord · 10-18-2019, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Well since batlord's response was he's a sociopath so his emotions aren't normal, I felt that was relavent.

I didn't mean to look at him as a real sociopath who is diagnosable on the DSM, just keep generally in your mind that his emotions are supposed to be stunted and kind of simple.

~~jwb~~ · 10-18-2019, 07:47 PM

No, I haven't and wouldn't read the books.

I understand I have to suspend disbelief.

Like i said I did overall enjoy the show... But certain parts irritated me.

Like I wanted to slap the **** out of him when he didn't ditch his boring wife for the crazy English broad.

The Batlord · 10-18-2019, 07:51 PM

Yeah I understand, the crazy English broad was fun as **** and a total dimepiece.

Pardon my tits indeed.

OccultHawk · 10-18-2019, 07:57 PM

I did read one of the Dexter books but I just barely remember it. I think I thought it was pretty cool though.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I did read one of the Dexter books but I just barely remember it. I think I thought it was pretty cool though. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

10-18-2019, 07:35 PM	#65162 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	One of my problems was he was never a convincing sociopath to me. I think that a true sociopathic serial killer wouldn't win over the audience so they had to inject morality into him somehow to make him a palatable protagonist. Tony was much more of a sociopath and yet still strangely more likable. Cause he wasn't phony. He wasn't sanctimonious. He was real, flawed, and yet endearing.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Well since batlord's response was he's a sociopath so his emotions aren't normal, I felt that was relavent.

10-18-2019, 07:47 PM	#65168 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	No, I haven't and wouldn't read the books. I understand I have to suspend disbelief. Like i said I did overall enjoy the show... But certain parts irritated me. Like I wanted to slap the **** out of him when he didn't ditch his boring wife for the crazy English broad.