Music Banter - Your Day

We've been over this but all the choices we know to be right are all influenced by class + making the wrong choice is infinitely less punishing as you go up in class

it's a joke to even talk about personal responsibility quite frankly

you have reliably waffled between saying yes choice matters to no it doesn't

You literally once says nobody argues choice doesn't matter at all

And now that's exactly what you're saying

Yes choice is influenced by a whole variety of factors including upbringing but also including ideology

So then by that logic, the seriousness with which you approach your choices is yet another part of the determinist matrix that decides what those choices will be.

jwb	10-26-2019 07:12 PM

You can't have it both ways

Either there's an imperative to try to make the right choice or there isn't

If choice matters, then there is

If not then there really is no choice

Chula Vista

10-26-2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2085953)

Number 10: The f uck is that rich people get away with murder.

What is it today, Letterman's top 10 reasons why life sucks day?

jwb	10-26-2019 07:20 PM

The starting line doesn't need to be even. It's not a game. It's basically two questions, in order. 1) Do you make any choices? 2) Do you believe in cause and effect?

OccultHawk

10-26-2019 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2085960)

it's a more abstract question than even needs to be asked

when the starting line is uneven the end result is corrupted

why bother with a thought exp on whether you could theoretically choose to be hungry

Even the idea of an uneven starting line is mostly a myth. The rich don’t even have to race.

Chula Vista

10-26-2019 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2085961)

It's basically two questions, in order. 1) Do you make any choices? 2) Do you believe in cause and effect?

1) Yes. Everyone does. Regardless of the psychobabble they may spew to the contrary.
2) see #1

jwb	10-26-2019 07:23 PM

It's completely irrelevant. My question is not if you made better choices could you be the next bill gates. It's could your life be better than it is. In that game, the only competitor is your lesser self.

jwb	10-26-2019 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2085963)

I think the question you're(jwb) asking is a useless one with no practical application to the world anyone lives in

it's more useful than anything

It's completely oriented in the practical. If better decisions can improve your life all then that is basically the ONLY variable that is under your control/influence, which makes it especially relevant

If anything your advice if the most impracticle and useless advice imaginable. It leaves me with no alternative but to just resign myself to the fate prescribed to me.