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**Marie Monday** · 09-05-2019, 04:07 PM

I guess the truth lies somewhere in between of what you guys say, but I'm certain that every non-disabled person is capable of experiencing the beauty, elegance, and fun of math. I'm even sure that everyone does experience it at some point without realizing it, outiside of an obviously mathematical context, because it's the beauty of clever analytical thinking. It's just that most people are not interested enough in math to connect it with those experiences, or to have those experiences directly with mathematics

The Batlord · 09-05-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Disabilities notwithstanding, I think this is very much possible with enough work. It's not like Einstein popped out of the womb with an understanding of relativity, he had to work to get there. Starting that process as an adult would indeed be more difficult than pushing yourself down that road from a young age like Einstein did, though. I think that 99% of our forum members could achieve it with enough effort for sure. That effort is indeed a bitch though.

That extreme example doesn't really validate your notion that math is nearly impossible for anyone who isn't a "natural mathematician" to understand or be interested in. There's always room for growth and resting on these kinds of comparisons to determine what you're capable of is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Except I didn't say that. My point is that if you're not naturally gifted at math then all that "elegance" math stuff isn't going to come naturally to you and math will probably continue to be boring.

**Marie Monday** · 09-05-2019, 04:14 PM

^but I think Frown's point is that there is no such thing as elegance math stuff coming naturally to anyone

**Frownland** · 09-05-2019, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Except I didn't say that. My point is that if you're not naturally gifted at math then all that "elegance" math stuff isn't going to come naturally to you and math will probably continue to be boring.

Having never really struggled with math, I fall into that category (though I would say that it's more a result of my privileged upbringing than natural ability) and I find math quite boring. I could see the converse happening as I think it has more to do with how easily one gets bored of things than supposedly innate mathematical ability.

**Marie Monday** · 09-05-2019, 04:20 PM

Have you ever experienced beauty in math, the way you can experience it in music or other arts?

**Frownland** · 09-05-2019, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie

Have you ever experienced beauty in math, the way you can experience it in music or other arts?

I appreciate the logic of math but I don't really see beauty in it.

**Marie Monday** · 09-05-2019, 04:28 PM

Then not only do you not have to be good at math to be able to see the beauty of it, but the reverse is also true. The correlation between appreciating math and being good at it is probably mostly caused by appreciation leading to interest leading to skill

The Batlord · 09-05-2019, 04:29 PM

I question the number of numberphile retards.

**Marie Monday** · 09-05-2019, 04:31 PM

yep, there is quite some truth in what you say, I think, but those retards could be numberphiles if they bothered

Lucem Ferre · 09-05-2019, 04:58 PM

There is kind of a strange beauty to it, but it's still boring.

I found out that every single multiple of 9 is 9 when you add all the digits to a single number.

9X342=3,078

3+0+7+8=18

1+8=9