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Anteater · 08-26-2019, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I did. Telling someone to get into the dead end job of telemarketing is still terrible advice.

Reread the post you quoted.

I did. And you didn't read mine.

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1. If you want a job that pays more than 15k a year, Facebook and LinkedIn and actually networking with actual human beings are way better places to spend your time.
2. Picking up sales skills will benefit someone in any career path they pursue. My suggestions in earlier posts were just some shortcuts to picking up those skills and not starving to death at the same time.
3. Get a mentor if you don't have one.

Key · 08-26-2019, 10:42 PM

Bruh I've literally been to Amway meetings and you sound exactly like everyone else in that dreadful cult. I also know how stubborn they are when someone calls them out on it. You pretty much mirror their qualities.

**Frownland** · 08-26-2019, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I did. And you didn't read mine.

I did. The way you're presenting the first five minutes of a Tony Robbins lecture as the Ticket Out is pretty naive.

Scientology seems up your alley. It's full of networking opportunities.

Anteater · 08-26-2019, 10:45 PM

Frownland - doesn't know what an appointment setter is but wants to lecture about terminology.
Key - Knows what an MLM is but can't follow anything else in the posts.
Elphenor - "your a big meaniepoopoohead Anteater111"

Am I missing anyone?

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I did. The way you're presenting the first five minutes of a Tony Robbins lecture as the Ticket Out is pretty naive.

Scientology seems up your alley. It's full of networking opportunities.

I say we all just give up and die. Never learn anything or entertain new ideas. What's the point, right?

**Frownland** · 08-26-2019, 10:50 PM

Anteater - falls for cutesy attempts to rebrand grunt work jobs, thinks waste procurement specialists are different from garbagemen

I will concede that if you only care about money, aren't interested in that liberal work life balance myth, and have no passions, interests, skill sets, or literally anything else in your life worth pursuing, then a 60k base salary telemarketing gig is a slam dunk.

Anteater · 08-26-2019, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Anteater - falls for cutesy attempts to rebrand grunt work jobs, thinks waste procurement specialists are different from garbagemen

I will concede that if you only care about money, aren't interested in that liberal work life balance myth, and have no passions, interests, skill sets, or literally anything else in your life worth pursuing, then a 60k base salary telemarketing gig is a slam dunk.

So many stupid assumptions that I'm a little taken aback. Do you really believe that? Are you really saying that someone who makes 60k a year versus 10 or 15k a year isn't in a better position to pursue their passions more freely than someone who can't even cover rent or food?

**Frownland** · 08-26-2019, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Never learn anything or entertain new ideas.

I've coordinated and been the keynote speaker at several sales training events. Hokey advice for people who are unaware of their privilege is nothing new to me, but don't let that keep you from congratulating yourself on your business genius.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

So many stupid assumptions that I'm a little taken aback. Do you really believe that?

Yes I really believe that a dead end telemarketing position is ideal for the person I described.

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Are you really saying that someone who makes 60k a year versus 10 or 15k a year isn't in a better position to pursue their passions more freely than someone who can't even cover rent or food?

Are you?

Anteater · 08-26-2019, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I've coordinated and been the keynote speaker at several sales training events. Hokey advice for people who are unaware of their privilege is nothing new to me, but don't let that keep you from congratulating yourself on your business genius.

I didn't know joining Facebook groups and looking for job opportunities in real-time was the result of magical privilege. I had it all wrong.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Yes I really believe that a dead end telemarketing position is ideal for the person I described.

A high base salary plus commissions for setting inbound appointments from people calling in with normal work hours certainly sounds worse than working in a warehouse at Amazon or the airport 8+ hours straight. You got me there.

**Frownland** · 08-26-2019, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I didn't know joining Facebook groups and looking for job opportunities in real-time was the result of magical privilege. Dang, I had it all wrong.

Case in point tbh.

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A high base salary plus commissions for setting inbound appointments from people calling in with normal work hours certainly sounds worse than working in a warehouse at Amazon or the airport 8+ hours straight. You got me there.

TFW you're vehemently making the case for how great telemarketing is.

Anteater · 08-26-2019, 11:23 PM

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Case in point tbh.

What color is the sky?

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TFW you're vehemently making the case for how great telemarketing is.

Anything is better than what he's doing right now. Case in point.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

when I did sales 25% of the "leads" you generated were other salesmen trying to recruit you to their sales job for the commission

When you work for a marketing company that has clients in specific niches (like real estate, insurance, certain kinds of medical services, technology products, etc.), then qualifying a lead would be taking a call from someone who opted in via Facebook Messenger (or booked an appointment via that business's online calendar) to your company who is interested in the services those clients provide their target market. All sales organizations have people who handle different stages depending on where that lead is in the sales cycle.

This is different from what Frown keeps bringing up. In a telemarketing job, your primary goal is to make outbound calls to businesses on a list of some kind, but in most cases the close rates on those aren't high because they're cold traffic. In most cases, they've probably never even heard of the company you are calling for.

08-26-2019, 10:50 PM	#64015 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Anteater - falls for cutesy attempts to rebrand grunt work jobs, thinks waste procurement specialists are different from garbagemen I will concede that if you only care about money, aren't interested in that liberal work life balance myth, and have no passions, interests, skill sets, or literally anything else in your life worth pursuing, then a 60k base salary telemarketing gig is a slam dunk. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-26-2019, 10:42 PM	#64012 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	Bruh I've literally been to Amway meetings and you sound exactly like everyone else in that dreadful cult. I also know how stubborn they are when someone calls them out on it. You pretty much mirror their qualities.