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The Batlord 08-16-2019 07:07 PM

But one of the main foundations of capitalism was feudal lords seizing land previously held by the serfs as ancestral grazing ground, right?

Key 08-16-2019 07:37 PM

Still going?

The Batlord 08-16-2019 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2072663)
the serfs could not hold land except in extraordinary circumstances

it's true that land ownership was/is arbitrary, I don't know if that's your point

the idea that the workers could ever really own their labor, does not pan out in Capitalism

I do believe that one of the first capitalist moves was to seize grazing grounds that wasn't so much held by anybody as held by nobody.

Key 08-16-2019 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2072671)
oh do you have more to say about your pedestrian af UPS job

go ahead

Nah.

Lisnaholic 08-17-2019 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Key (Post 2072581)
Yep this is definitely the conversation I was hoping for with my original post. Thanks guys.

^ Still, it's been fun to read a thread that has about three different dialogues running through it simultaneously: your job, mindfulness' poll numbers, the birth of capitalism and can DMcC post a penis. This is the very stuff of MB!

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2072671)
oh do you have more to say about your clearly satisfying UPS job

go ahead

^ Fixed that for you elph ;)

Well, done Key! I'm pleased to hear things are going well for you - mainly for your sake but partly because it's refreshing to hear from someone who gets a sense of satisfaction from their job. This thread usually carries so many negative reports from the US job front. I understand that those reports are justified, but it's good to know that decent jobs do still exist in the US - I was beginning to doubt it.

Key 08-17-2019 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2072693)
^ Still, it's been fun to read a thread that has about three different dialogues running through it simultaneously: your job, mindfulness' poll numbers, the birth of capitalism and can DMcC post a penis. This is the very stuff of MB!



^ Fixed that for you elph ;)

Well, done Key! I'm pleased to hear things are going well for you - mainly for your sake but partly because it's refreshing to hear from someone who gets a sense of satisfaction from their job. This thread usually carries so many negative reports from the US job front. I understand that those reports are justified, but it's good to know that decent jobs do still exist in the US - I was beginning to doubt it.

And wasting a whole day debating about it. Yep. Typical MB.

They exist. I just try to have a really good work ethic on top of that. No reason to go into work to feel like **** every day. I try to make it fun. And it is. And thanks! Things have certainly been going well on the job front.

OccultHawk 08-17-2019 08:38 AM

Love ya Key

Glad your job is working out

Honestly, I don’t know the ends and outs of your politics but it’s easy to feel like capitalism works when things are rolling your way. A new boss or a policy change is all it takes to kill career.

jwb 08-17-2019 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Key (Post 2072700)
And wasting a whole day debating about it. Yep. Typical MB.

They exist. I just try to have a really good work ethic on top of that. No reason to go into work to feel like **** every day. I try to make it fun. And it is. And thanks! Things have certainly been going well on the job front.

I'm happy for you ftr.



Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2072659)
no, taking this back to my original point, the concept of private property (and thus capitalism) results from political revolutions

under feudalism, the government distributes land to Lords (usually awarded military veterans) in which the Serfs work with no claim to ownership of their work and without the ability to change employment

the idea that everyone could own their own labor was what separated Capitalism from Feudalism

That is another aspect of capitalism, but that's also relevant to wealth creation.

The reason market capitalism replaced mercantilism was because the decentralized nature of the market was more competitive than the old order.

Under feudalism, private property still existed. It was just more strictly allocated. And the caste system that existed was such that even if you became a relatively wealthy merchant (Marx's bourgeoisie), you could still have zero political clout if you were not nobility.

But the fact that this merchant class started to emerge even prior to the old regime being over thrown demonstrates that the market was already trending in that general direction.

Key 08-17-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2072707)
Ki knows what's cool
playin' Triple A Games and listenin' to Tool
doesn't waste his day uh readin'
just gets you that package you've been needing

I actually love this.

innerspaceboy 08-17-2019 10:46 AM

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