The Batlord

And yet you are essentially saying it even if you don't realize.

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Frownland

I can see why you're so confused then.

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innerspaceboy

I confess, it's been a hell of a week.

• Got my first speeding ticket. Had to take a 5 hour course, plus missed work, court fees, and a fine.
• Then had to put $3,500 into my car for an oil leak
• Then discovered my debit card info had been stolen and $900 in gift cards were debited from my account in another state.
• And I'm on the first day of my birthday vacation driving to my old home city tomorrow for four days of concerts, festivals, and reunions with people I've not seen in over a decade.

All of that was enough to spark four panic attacks. I need to be up and ready at 8:30 tomorrow morning but at this rate the insomnia will have me up all night again.

I really, really hope I don't have to cancel my birthday trip, all those shows, and all those reunions.

Sorry, just a really challenging week.

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Lucem Ferre

The familiarity of ad hominem from people with the inability to defend themselves.

Vehemently repeat the same thing like a mentally challenged person ignoring my point then try to dismiss it because they're too narcissistic to accept that they don't know **** they just like to pretend.

It's been my favorite conversation to have since 2011 because on both sides you can't really prove it. Typically I take their stance since it's the uncommon one and I like to challenge conventional thought. The best part is seeing how many people take a hard stance and get frustrated when challenged with points that they can't dispute. It shows how petty and egotistical the average person is. To me, it also makes you look like a blithering idiot. Especially because it's silly to think it actually matters enough to dedicate yourself to an unknowable stance.

Fact of the matter is, a choice is an effect that needs a cause. There is no point in making a decision if there is no effect being caused by your decision. What differs from a pool ball and a human that chooses is that a pool ball has no sense of awareness. It reacts only to the past while a human being has awareness and reacts to what they predict to be the future do to the information a human gathers. The concepts of free will vs predetermination are no where near as comprehensible as they like to make it out to be. And, as you've already pointed out Frown, it might be a false dichotomy. There could be varying levels of free will. Oh, and while this doesn't exactly prove free will exists, quantum particles do actually behave randomly as far as we can tell. So for now, predetermination is kind of debunked. Or at least hasn't been proven.

Remember, there's a reason why the people that actually did the study they jerk off to didn't take a hard stance. They spoke with an uncertain rhetoric. It probably doesn't exist. It doesn't exist as we previously understood it. Etc.

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The Batlord

You didn't say anything. You just waffled a bit about choice.

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grindy

He should be more like his hero Frownland.
Using nothing but snarky one liners to argue his stance about people using nothing but snarky one liners to argue their stance. Oh, and links to unrelated articles. Never forget links to unrelated articles.

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Lucem Ferre

Lucem Ferre: A choice essentially is essentially a reaction to a cause in order to gain a desired effect given by your awareness. There for not only is it compatible with the cause and effect relationship of the world, it's dependent on it to exist.

OH:
ONLY CAUSE AND EFFECT ONLY CAUSE AND EFFECT



Batlord:
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE

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Lucem Ferre

That's what you guys have been doing the whole god damned time.

Nothing but snark and playing stupid to dismiss the actual point I made. It's plain pathetic.

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grindy

But if what you desire is predetermined, there is no real difference to our billard ball. There's just more complexity.

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grindy

Well yeah, I mentioned that.
We suck.

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