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Old 06-18-2019, 09:47 PM   #62401 (permalink)
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descartes argued that free will must exist because god is too supreme a being for error and therefore cannot be responsible for the mistakes of humans (or for creating faulty models). free will is what keeps us hanging between the balance of god's perfect being and nothingness/pure evil.

what a bootlicker
He still pushed us in the right direction by tacking a big T Truth onto the nature of existence.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:50 PM   #62402 (permalink)
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Another Christian argument.

I don't have a strong stance on it because it's not crystal clear.

The only thing that is clear is that you have a different understanding of what a choice is.
I understand why it seems like that to you but there’s nothing about what I know that hinges on the supernatural.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:52 PM   #62403 (permalink)
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I'm choosing to post this post right now. See? Free will.

Check mate.
Well played, sir.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:54 PM   #62404 (permalink)
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Don't praise him for something he had no control over.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:55 PM   #62405 (permalink)
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To use exact language I mean is what appears to our consciousness to be a choice but in actuality isn’t.
Different parameters, dogma, planetary orbit analogy, blah blah blah

Can we go back to blaming our ****ty lives on capitalism
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:56 PM   #62407 (permalink)
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I understand why it seems like that to you but there’s nothing about what I know that hinges on the supernatural.
It's 'Christian' because rather than addressing the scrutiny you dance around it by condescending with a tone that you have some kind of higher knowledge that I don't, but if you did you could provide it.

In reality it's just that Christians feel like god exists despite any information contradicting it just as you feel free will is impossible despite the information I'm giving that contradicts it.

There is no guiding if you can't defend your stance from scrutiny.

I gave an example of how choice exists with in the cause and effect relationship of the universe. Now it's on you to actually say something.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:16 PM   #62408 (permalink)
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Choice doesn’t exist because cause and effect does.
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Choice doesn’t exist because cause and effect does.
Except I gave an example of choice being cause and effect.
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Except I gave an example of choice being cause and effect.
You’re a Mormon.
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