Well, regardless I gave an example of choice being congruent, and dependent on, cause and effect.

Nitpick away, though.

TFW you acknowledge the simplicity of how something that doesn't exist works.

I want to come in your beard, Frown.

descartes argued that free will must exist because god is too supreme a being for error and therefore cannot be responsible for the mistakes of humans (or for creating faulty models). free will is what keeps us hanging between the balance of god's perfect being and nothingness/pure evil.

what a bootlicker

I thought you were above kink shaming. SMH.

To use exact language I mean is what appears to our consciousness to be a choice but in actuality isn’t.

Lucem - I’m not nitpicking. I know you get it but you don’t seem to see it with the clarity that you could so I’m trying to guide you there. Once you see it it’s crystal clear.

kink shaming is my kink

I'm choosing to post this post right now. See? Free will.

Check mate.

Another Christian argument.

I don't have a strong stance on it because it's not crystal clear.

The only thing that is clear is that you have a different understanding of what a choice is.

Is it a kink or is it just abuse?

That's a fun game to play on porn sites.