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Mindy 06-18-2019 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2061843)
It doesn’t work like that. As you probably know we’re in a synchronous rotation with the moon. Polar north and south of the moon is relative to the sun not earth. You can think of “up” as away from the center of the earth and “down” as toward the center of earth. So depending on where you’re standing on earth if you draw a straight line from the center of the earth (or as close to the center of the earth as a straight line allows) through your body and then directly to the moon wherever that line hits, which depends on your position on earth, would be what you’re thinking of as upside down relative to earth (meaning your place on earth)

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The Batlord 06-18-2019 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2061840)
Yes, saying awareness doesn't have varying levels is ridiculous and it's nitpicking to avoid the response.

Awareness is a great difference between us and pool balls.

Being aware doesn't mean you have a real choice, though.

Why would your awareness be different from the awareness of a pool ball? I mean I guess you could say that you feel different from a pool ball, but then I'm supposed to assume that your feelings are atomically different from the feelings of a pool ball and then I realize that you're going to use that difference to make yourself feel better. And I can't say anything to make this obvious difference clear to you and... omg somebody hand me a gun to put myself out of my misery.

Zhanteimi 06-18-2019 07:44 PM

How do we know how a pool ball feels?

The Batlord 06-18-2019 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2061847)
How do we know how a pool ball feels?

The point is the complete avoidance of a thing that reacts to physical forces.

OccultHawk 06-18-2019 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2061847)
How do we know how a pool ball feels?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism

This is more interesting than free will. How did consciousness arise anyway?

Lucem Ferre 06-18-2019 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2061846)
Why would your awareness be different from the awareness of a pool ball? I mean I guess you could say that you feel different from a pool ball, but then I'm supposed to assume that your feelings are atomically different from the feelings of a pool ball and then I realize that you're going to use that difference to make yourself feel better. And I can't say anything to make this obvious difference clear to you and... omg somebody hang me a gun to put myself out of my misery.

You do understand that pool balls aren't aware right? Oh, yeah, you're still on nitpicking the 'better awareness' line.

You're making this into a "He believes this because it makes him feel better." bull**** argument again. It's a lot like Christians who say that atheists are just telling themselves god doesn't exist to feel better about sinning.

No, believing I'm different from a pool ball doesn't make me feel better. Believing in free will, a stance I never took, wouldn't make me feel better. Whether or not free will exists is completely irrelevant and it does not give existence any sort of objective importance that you think it does.

OccultHawk 06-18-2019 07:50 PM

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You do understand that pool balls aren't aware right?
Prove it.

Lucem Ferre 06-18-2019 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2061851)
Prove it.

Then OH falls back on the other Christian argument.

My proof is the lack of evidence that they have awareness. Especially understanding that awareness typically comes from living organisms that have brains.

Zhanteimi 06-18-2019 08:00 PM

A pool ball's awareness is different from ours. They can, if necessary, sing.

Lucem Ferre 06-18-2019 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2061853)
A pool ball's awareness is different from ours. They can, if necessary, sing.

Pool balls are sick of the oppressive humans beating them with sticks.


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