You already conceded that your choices matter. Which means that you already conceded my point.

I think fundamentally the difference between me and you is that you think focusing on choice makes excuses for the system. Where as I think focusing on how you are a victim of the system makes excuses for yourself.

Difference being you can control what you do. You can't control what the system does.

Find one quote where anyone said your choices don’t matter

@ OH

I'm not gonna search out the quote but to be specific you told me no choices I make will improve my situation.

And more generally I haven't ever said anything other than choices matter yet I'm getting rebuked like I'm selling some sort of snake oil. I made it pretty clear from the get go that life isn't fair and you can't control everything.

I just realized that jwb and elph haven't really interacted much before.

This should be fun going forward.

Yeah see I think this is trying to be a Republican who thinks that everything is in your control and blaming anything on anything other than yourself is making excuses, but you know that's bull**** but you still want the Republican view that anything good happening for you is something you did that you should pat yourself on the back for.

But I never said don't critique the system. I just get accused of defending the system for talking about choice.

Or perhaps I chose a happy medium between everything being under your control vs complete determinism

You sound like one of the doctors at Auschwitz.

Unlike the doctors at Auschwitz, I actually freed a man the other day.

Was just a joke brody.

"Vee vill see how they interact. Den vee vill inject puss into their open wounds. " - Exo