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Old 06-18-2019, 07:51 PM   #61471 (permalink)
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Free will is off the table because it’s impossible. I believe.
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Old 06-18-2019, 07:51 PM   #61472 (permalink)
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Do pool balls have brains? I'm sorry. I haven't been keeping up with the conversation enough to really contribute.
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Old 06-18-2019, 07:58 PM   #61473 (permalink)
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Yeah you’re right. God is to me what William James called a dead hypothesis. Free will is off the table because it’s impossible. Panpsychism remains on the table for me because I believe both matter and consciousness are real. That’s enough to get me from atheistic to barely agnostic on it.

Again though, you make a valid point that I’m a little more forgiving of the unlikelihood of panpsychism. It’s not exactly the same but it is really ****ing close.
It's exactly the same because both theism and panpsychism rely on a lack of information for validity.

The rejection of free will is because you don't think choice can be congruent with influence.

Edit: I'd argue that choice is dependent on influence.
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:06 PM   #61474 (permalink)
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It's exactly the same because both theism and panpsychism rely on a lack of information for validity.
Similar but not exactly the same like I said.

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The rejection of free will is because you don't think choice can be congruent with influence.
Not just influence but direct cause and effect.
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:14 PM   #61475 (permalink)
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Similar but not exactly the same like I said.



Not just influence but direct cause and effect.
Choice would be a more complicated version of cause and effect where the cause is the information gathered by awareness and the effect is how we react in anticipation for the future.
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:17 PM   #61476 (permalink)
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All there can be is cause and effect
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:17 PM   #61477 (permalink)
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All there can be is cause and effect
I just gave you an example of choice being cause and effect.
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:19 PM   #61479 (permalink)
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Cause: Occulthawk says "All there can be is cause and effect"
Effect: Lucem responds with "I just gave you an example of choice being cause and effect."

Boom. Only cause and effect, you're clearly wrong Lucem.
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:21 PM   #61480 (permalink)
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