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Yeah you’re right. God is to me what William James called a dead hypothesis. Free will is off the table because it’s impossible. Panpsychism remains on the table for me because I believe both matter and consciousness are real. That’s enough to get me from atheistic to barely agnostic on it.

Again though, you make a valid point that I’m a little more forgiving of the unlikelihood of panpsychism. It’s not exactly the same but it is really ****ing close.

It's exactly the same because both theism and panpsychism rely on a lack of information for validity.

The rejection of free will is because you don't think choice can be congruent with influence.

Edit: I'd argue that choice is dependent on influence.

OccultHawk

06-18-2019 08:06 PM

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It's exactly the same because both theism and panpsychism rely on a lack of information for validity.

Similar but not exactly the same like I said.

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The rejection of free will is because you don't think choice can be congruent with influence.

Not just influence but direct cause and effect.

Lucem Ferre

06-18-2019 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2061873)

Similar but not exactly the same like I said.

Not just influence but direct cause and effect.

Choice would be a more complicated version of cause and effect where the cause is the information gathered by awareness and the effect is how we react in anticipation for the future.

OccultHawk

06-18-2019 08:17 PM

All there can be is cause and effect

Lucem Ferre

06-18-2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2061876)

All there can be is cause and effect

I just gave you an example of choice being cause and effect.

OccultHawk

06-18-2019 08:19 PM

There’s no such thing as choice

Frownland

06-18-2019 08:19 PM

Cause: Occulthawk says "All there can be is cause and effect"
Effect: Lucem responds with "I just gave you an example of choice being cause and effect."

Boom. Only cause and effect, you're clearly wrong Lucem.