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03-29-2019 12:14 PM |
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre
(Post 2050078)
Thing is that nobody was discussing hierarchy's in general like he's trying to paint it. The whole discussion was on racially motivated hierarchy's and his argument was that it's impossible to avoid so we should just deal with it.
And I never actually addressed anything he said that was satire like he's trying to say, I addressed the fact that he said white supremacy isn't a problem because racial hierarchies exist else where. He can pretend saying that China or Hispanic majorities would be worse was meant to be a joke but he actually defended it when Bat called him out for supporting white supremacy with that comment.
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It is impossible to do anything about it currently, which is why I started citing statistics and studies about how demographics were ultimately going to end up by 2046 or so. In a sense, that itself is the solution.
My comments about China and Hispanic majorities was entirely a joke, based on the fact that I enjoy a lot of sci-fi and alternative history that dive deep into these kinds of ideas. For example, I read a great alternative history novel around two years ago about the Aztecs winning against Cortez. The book was by a gay African-American sci-fi author with a background in engineering, and it was fascinating to see how he mapped out society from that point in history forward, since he ended up exploring how the modern world ultimately turned out because of that one key event.
Anyone who reads enough or spends enough time looking at any of this stuff can conclude that racial hierarchies as a whole inevitably result in some kind of marginalization. The question is, what do you do to create a world where race becomes entirely meaningless to the vast majority of people?
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre
(Post 2050080)
No, I said that deep down in elph's lady friend's soul she wants you exiled. I said that you should get out of my country half because of you defending white supremacy with your "It's not so bad!" comments and the other half because I think telling an american born white person to get out of my country is funny. Especially when YOU got 10X more upset by it than I ever anticipated. It's hilarious. Seriously though, you might enjoy Canada.
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I think you missed the part where I was laughing at your ad hominem attacks. The rest of your post doesn't make any sense at all.
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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg
(Post 2050079)
I'd agree to an extent, but our current, ancestral concept of hierarchy that we're using in supposedly liberal, democratic societies is passed down from monarchies and authoritarian societies that should be antithetical to modern sensibilities. We're supposed to treat our politicians as simply fellow citizens who have simply been given extra responsibility while the first lesson we ever learn is to do what our parents say without question because they know what's best for us. Then we go to school and learn the same thing for our teachers. Then we get shunted into the workplace where the boss doesn't know what's best for us but they don't have to cause they can just fire you and so you have to do everything they say anyway.
Our whole lives we're conditioned to roll over and accept authority and yet we're supposed to ignore that when it comes to politicians and the government. I don't know how you solve that but we're missing a mental paradigm shift somewhere in there.
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People accept authority (or are at least willing to compromise with it) because we deal with all kinds of scarcity, subconscious fears and other things...and don't believe that we can deal with the repercussions of a completely free and open world. There are a lot of people who don't want to wake up in a world where they don't have the conveniences of modern life readily available. They'd rather compromise and deal with the inherent screwed up aspects of society than deal with the alternative. |
