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DwnWthVwls 02-07-2019 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2041964)
It doesn't beg the question.
Shame on me. You're right. :shycouch:

it RAISES the question.

DwnWthVwls 02-07-2019 05:32 PM
So you want doctors to clean toilets between surgeries cause it's their turn? As I said, seems silly and counter productive. The toilet people can take turns.

Zhanteimi 02-07-2019 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 2041970)
Shame on me. You're right. :shycouch:

it RAISES the question.

DwnWthVwls 02-07-2019 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2041974)
well certainly a lawyer is less exploited than someone who works at Burger King

is that a controversial opinion to you?
Yes. Is financial exploitation the only thing you're considering? Because when you have a high profile job like that you often have to make moral compromises and put yourself in a position to be exploited or end your career.

OccultHawk 02-07-2019 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 2041968)
What more of a reason do you need than it's something that needs to be done? I don't like cleaning the toilet, but it's necessary and should be done correctly. The general lack of consideration for contributing to the society you benefit from is a really ****ty attitude that a lot of people have.
When I was a caregiver for the disabled I literally cleaned out adult asscracks after they defecated. I took the attitude that it was the most important work being done on earth and was meticulous about doing it as clean and gently and as close to perfection as I could manage. I wasn’t in it for the money.

Zhanteimi 02-07-2019 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2041978)
When I was a caregiver for the disabled I literally cleaned out adult asscracks after they defecated. I took the attitude that it was the most important work being done on earth and was meticulous about doing it as clean and gently and as close to perfection as I could manage. I wasn’t in it for the money.
That was the right attitude to have, since it's about the safety and well-being of people who cannot care for themselves.

OccultHawk 02-07-2019 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2041974)
well certainly a lawyer is less exploited than someone who works at Burger King

is that a controversial opinion to you?
I disagree. A lawyer, at least in a firm, isn’t even allowed to keep their own thoughts. Plus, they’re enslaved to their student loans. I thought about law school. It’s a ****ing racket. I have a better life riding my bike and cutting fish.

OccultHawk 02-07-2019 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2041979)
That was the right attitude to have, since it's about the safety and well-being of people who cannot care for themselves.
Yeah. Thank you. I can honestly look back and know I never cut corners or made little snarky remarks or anything like that. I never did anything any different than I would have if they had had family looking on.

DwnWthVwls 02-07-2019 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2041977)
the idea of sectioning off a part of the population as the metaphorical "toilet people", required to do the labor no one else wants to do is an obvious injustice

meritocracy is the weak justification for it
I don't really have any problems with meritocracy, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. If they had something to offer beyond cleaning toilets in a meritocracy they wouldnt be required to do labor no one else wants to do because they'd have something more valuable to offer, right?

The only issue I have is that they don't have access to the basic human rights we should all be afforded. As long as everyone has access to healthcare, shelter, food, etc I really don't care about super rich people having mansions and 17 cars (aside from the obvious environmental waste).

OccultHawk 02-07-2019 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2041981)
yeah but you can open your own firm/practice
I’m done with that point. I feel like you get dragged into arguing with people own their terms. **** that. Take it or leave it.

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sure, if it needs to be done, they can clean their own goddamn toilets
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