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Old 12-17-2018, 02:05 PM   #58521 (permalink)
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Eww, no
I only value planet Earth insofar as we're here to be able to care about it.

No sentient beings = nothing matters.

And for all the shortcomings of human beings, they are by far the species the most capable of compassion and selflessness. I don't romanticize animals too much, although I respect them as living things.

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I think it's pretty arrogant to bring a sentient being into this world without their consent and then force them to go through life because they think it'd be nice to have a kid.
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Old 12-17-2018, 02:07 PM   #58522 (permalink)
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Give me a valid reason for a person to willingly have a child that doesn't amount to personal validation?
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 12-17-2018, 02:08 PM   #58523 (permalink)
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Doesn't even matter to me. Anyone who regrets to be alive are free to end themselves.
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Old 12-17-2018, 02:13 PM   #58524 (permalink)
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Is that the choice you're giving to people? Go through the hell of a life they can't stand or go through the hell of finally giving in to pure self-loathing and putting a gun in their mouth? That's fair? That's humane? That's justifiable?
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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I'm pretty sure most people, given that choice, prefer being alive. So yeah, that justifies bringing new people into the world. Statistically speaking, they're likely to be happier about it than not.
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I only value planet Earth insofar as we're here to be able to care about it.

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Sentient beings = nothing matters
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I'm pretty sure most people, given that choice, prefer being alive. So yeah, that justifies bringing new people into the world. Statistically speaking, they're likely to be happier about it than not.
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Imagine the sheer agony of looking up at MERIT and having to acknowledge he’s your biological father. Christ.
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Beats "I hate everything and therefore no one else should exist" as an argument.
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I'm pretty sure most people, given that choice, prefer being alive. So yeah, that justifies bringing new people into the world. Statistically speaking, they're likely to be happier about it than not.
True, but what if you're one of those people who have a kid who gets brutally raped and never recovers, or has severe paranoid schizophrenia and needs to be institutionalized, or where you live devolves into a genocidal warzone hell? Most people will be alright but you're gambling your child's well-being on everything being alright, but if they're not you'll bear the responsibility of putting them in that position in the first place.

If you have a kid and something horrible happens will you tell yourself that they were probably gonna be alright but bad luck, mate? Better luck next time? I mean will you be able to justify it to yourself when you know full well the only reason that child got put in front of that bullet was cause you just really wanted a kid cause it would make you happy?
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