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Old 10-07-2018, 11:27 AM   #55791 (permalink)
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Classic cherry picking (again) Frowny. He's admitted he lacks motivation - that's not my fault.
Classic unreliable anecdotal evidence (again) Chula.

Nobody ever said that it was your fault. Maybe if you didn't take everything so personally, you would be able to understand other people's posts better. You might even avoid a lot of these dumb arguments.
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Old 10-07-2018, 11:43 AM   #55792 (permalink)
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I didn't say that. Based on his writings here Bat's a very smart guy. But he's admitted that he lacks any motivation to better himself, i.e., work towards getting a better job (more $$$). Instead he goes off on me because I don't agree with tipping in fast food places - like it's my responsibility to put a little extra cash in his pocket.

There's lots of low paying jobs out there. What's next? Should we start tipping at Target? Pet Smart? The supermarket? Barnes and Noble? The gas station?

I did my time working for **** pay. Instead of bitching about it I busted my ass and took some night courses to start moving up the ladder. It's not my fault if he lacks the determination to do the same.

Not sure how it is elsewhere, but it seems like everyone is hiring right now around here. Pretty sure some are paying better than minimum. You actively filling out applications Bat to see if you can land something better for yourself?
I agree that tipping is silly but that is probably cos its not a thing here but I don't agree with the Tory-esque "work harder" comments.
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:12 PM   #55793 (permalink)
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Your attitude toward me specifically isn't the issue. It's your sneering elitism towards everybody in my position.

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Speaking of tipping, what with the new thing at fast food places where they turn the register screen towards you and give you the option to add a tip to your order? Tips are suppose to be about service. Punching a few keys on a screen is not exactly service. Same thing is happening when you order take out online.
You don't come to us for lavish service. You come to us for speed, convenience, and cheapness, things you don't get at other restaurants. We give you that. If you don't value that then we shouldn't be obligated to wait on you any more than anyone should have to do something for someone who doesn't appreciate them.

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I pay the price that your corporation deems acceptable to cover their costs, profits, and your paycheck.
You're siding with corporations against workers now? Anyone who doesn't like it should get another job and the rest deserve their fate? This is not the talk of a liberal. This is the talk of conservative who phones in his liberalism cause he lives in California.

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I gladly pay 20% tips if I have someone waiting on my table and keeping my water glass full, getting me extra butter or bread if I want it, grating black pepper and parm cheese, etc. on my food - at my table.

Tipping for a god damn whopper junior is ****ing insanity.

You want tips? Put on an apron and wait tables.
Yeah see this right here is super entitled and just makes you sound like a yuppie who enjoys a fantasy of being a landed noble with servants who jump at his every beck and call. Why would anyone be so keen on someone grating their pepper and cheese? Are you six? Is the waitress your mother? You can't do that **** yourself? I know it's a thing but I'd feel weird in that position, like I was committing some kind of crime by elevating myself so above another human being that it was right that they should grate my ****ing parmesan. And yet not only are you totally comfortable with this but it's one of the key things you expect and demand of anyone who wants your 20%.
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:12 PM   #55794 (permalink)
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I don't agree with the Tory-esque "work harder" comments.
How does one better themselves and move up the wage scale in your world view?
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You don't come to us for lavish service.
No **** Sherlock.

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I walk into a FF joint and they have a menu on the wall with prices for each item. I pay the price listed. This makes me a conservative corporation cad? That's quite the stretch Bat.

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Why would anyone be so keen on someone grating their pepper and cheese?
Because in some places you don't have a choice. The waiter brings your meal and then pulls a pepper grinder and/or cheese grater out and asks if you'd like some. I answer yes because I like pepper and cheese. That's just the way it works sometimes - they don't leave those items on the table. You have to be "served" them. You gonna blame me for that too?
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:21 PM   #55796 (permalink)
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There are at least a few countries where tipping is considered to be extremely rude, but as far as I know those places also pay their people normal wages. Here in the U.S. that's not always the case. I also think it's dumb that if you happen to order a more expensive meal that your tip should be proportionally larger, but that's just the norm. I usually do small tips for just "doing your job okay" service and if they were especially attentive or engaging in some way then I'll tip them higher.
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:25 PM   #55797 (permalink)
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How does one better themselves and move up the wage scale in your world view?
Self awareness and connections.
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Old 10-07-2018, 02:04 PM   #55798 (permalink)
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Do you get a paycheck that you agreed to? Are you actively trying to advance yourself to get bigger paychecks? No? Sounds like you are content with your station in life. Not my fault buddy. Don't expect others to over-compensate you for your chosen ****ty lot in life.
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So he should be “better” to deserve enough money to live. Go to hell.

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I did my time working for **** pay. Instead of bitching about it I busted my ass and took some night courses to start moving up the ladder. It's not my fault if he lacks the determination to do the same.
Ronald Reagan bull****. No humility. No gratitude for your good bounces. No empathy for misfortune that you fail to understand.

You earned this and you earned that? You’d get eaten alive at my job. And you said the same **** to me about not hacking it as a teacher when we discussed NCLB. Where’s your perseverance? You’re not sweating in a 100 degree kitchen you’re in the ****ing loony bin with your family caring for you and worrying about you. **** your I bettered myself bull****. You’ve been carried for a decade.
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Remember that time you got slammed to the ground for starting **** with a cop when I guess you were having baby mama drama?
The incident to which you're referring was a LONG time ago, has absolutely NOTHING to do with this and I don't remember getting slammed to the ground.

My [at the time] wife [not "baby mama," this isn't an episode of Maury] was having an episode of mania due to her bi-polar disorder and schizophrenia. When the cops were called due to her causing a disturbance in a public place, acting crazy, having been up for like 10 days straight, drinking, being on meds and wanting to drive, one of the cops was a friend of hers who disregarded all protocol and just shot the shit with her. When I questioned this, her male partner tried to play tough guy and threatened to arrest me if I said one more word, which I, of course, proceeded to do. Then I ran away from him and left, rather than assault the piggy and go to prison. Don't remember getting slammed into the ground by him. Maybe a little tussle, but that was it. Maybe I misspoke about it before or remember it differently now, a decade later.

Also, if you are going to cherry pick bad memories from my life to pepper in to later conversations when they have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, just to get your jollies, then you can eat a dick, fry boy.
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