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OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 06:21 PM

Vietnam would be easy to justify if America won. Communism really was bad. If Japan won WW2 and hanged Truman as a War Criminal it would be easier to swallow than Tojo.

WWWP · 01-26-2018, 06:23 PM

When I watched Pearl Harbor for the first time I started bawling and excused myself to my room where I stood in front of the mirror and recited the pledge of allegiance as tears rolled down my cheeks (I was probably 10?)

OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 06:24 PM

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You don't think that a man who went through that war, saw his buddies die, saw what the government was doing, came back and began to protest about it, tried to open the eyes of those still signing up to fight in a war of lies, had any right to do so? What would you prefer (given that there was a war: obviously, everyone would prefer there had been none and the US had kept its big interfering imperialist snout out of things, but given there was one) - that he had kept quiet, said nothing? You don't think that someone, seeing he had been wrong, that he had been lied to, should try to correct that in any way he could?

He should have kept his mouth shut unless someone who risked their freedom NOT to fight in Vietnam needed a place to piss.

Trollheart · 01-26-2018, 06:27 PM

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He should have kept his mouth shut unless someone who risked their freedom NOT to fight in Vietnam needed a place to piss.

That's seriously the most ****ed-up opinion I've ever heard. Congratulations.

The Batlord · 01-26-2018, 06:28 PM

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In order to hate war you have to hate veterans. I don’t need Ted Bundy to write memoirs about how raping and killing teenage girls ruined his life. Kovic didn’t earn the right to preach either. **** him and his war.

Nah, that's nonsense. In order to hate war you have to hate the suffering caused by war. Actual human beings with pain receptors and feelings of utter terror stepping on pongee sticks, getting their heads shot off, and coming back home missing limbs should make you hate war because of what war does to human beings. Why would you hate war if you hate veterans? Shouldn't you like war since it kills people you hate? Honestly if you feel like that then I question whether you hate war for anything other than unemotional ideological reasons that care nothing for people.

**Frownland** · 01-26-2018, 06:30 PM

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Nah, that's nonsense. In order to hate war you have to hate the suffering caused by war. Actual human beings with pain receptors and feelings of utter terror stepping on pongee sticks, getting their heads shot off, and coming back home missing limbs should make you hate war because of what war does to human beings. Why would you hate war if you hate veterans? Shouldn't you like war since it kills people you hate? Honestly if you feel like that then I question whether you hate war for anything other than unemotional ideological reasons that care nothing for people.

They went into the jungle to kill and got killed. If you support troops who make war possible, you support war.

OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 06:32 PM

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Nah, that's nonsense. In order to hate war you have to hate the suffering caused by war. Actual human beings with pain receptors and feelings of utter terror stepping on pongee sticks, getting their heads shot off, and coming back home missing limbs should make you hate war because of what war does to human beings. Why would you hate war if you hate veterans? Shouldn't you like war since it kills people you hate? Honestly if you feel like that then I question whether you hate war for anything other than unemotional ideological reasons that care nothing for people.

War is not a concept. It IS only the action of the people who fight them. Without soldiers there is no war to hate.

OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 06:33 PM

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They went into the jungle to kill and got killed. If you support troops who make war possible, you support war.

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The Batlord · 01-26-2018, 06:41 PM

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They went into the jungle to kill and got killed. If you support troops who make war possible, you support war.

I don't support troops, I support people not suffering. A Vietnam vet who thinks their war meant something is a fool, but if they got shot, watched a friend get shot, or experienced any of the things that can traumatize a human being in a war zone then I feel empathy for that, and that is one of the things that makes me not support war. Their presence in Vietnam may have been a crime to the people of that country engaged in a civil war that should never have involved any foreign nations, but that doesn't make an injured American's excruciating physical and emotional pain any less horrible.

Women who wear mini skirts for a night out and get raped don't deserve that suffering, and soldiers who go to war for idiotic patriotism and wake up screaming when they come home don't deserve that kind of visceral misery. Nothing can make you deserve that unless you were in the ****ing Waffen SS shooting Russian children in the head on your way to Stalingrad. There's simply no way to understand what any of that is until you're in it and to throw veterans under the bus simply because they were naive idiots undermines the very purpose of hating war because you just don't care about what happens to people.

The Batlord · 01-26-2018, 06:43 PM

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War is not a concept. It IS only the action of the people who fight them. Without soldiers there is no war to hate.

War is a political action perpetrated by politicians. The people who fight that war are almost inevitably ignorant poor people who don't appreciate what they are doing until it's too late.

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