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OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

They went into the jungle to kill and got killed. If you support troops who make war possible, you support war.

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The Batlord · 01-26-2018, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

They went into the jungle to kill and got killed. If you support troops who make war possible, you support war.

I don't support troops, I support people not suffering. A Vietnam vet who thinks their war meant something is a fool, but if they got shot, watched a friend get shot, or experienced any of the things that can traumatize a human being in a war zone then I feel empathy for that, and that is one of the things that makes me not support war. Their presence in Vietnam may have been a crime to the people of that country engaged in a civil war that should never have involved any foreign nations, but that doesn't make an injured American's excruciating physical and emotional pain any less horrible.

Women who wear mini skirts for a night out and get raped don't deserve that suffering, and soldiers who go to war for idiotic patriotism and wake up screaming when they come home don't deserve that kind of visceral misery. Nothing can make you deserve that unless you were in the ****ing Waffen SS shooting Russian children in the head on your way to Stalingrad. There's simply no way to understand what any of that is until you're in it and to throw veterans under the bus simply because they were naive idiots undermines the very purpose of hating war because you just don't care about what happens to people.

The Batlord · 01-26-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

War is not a concept. It IS only the action of the people who fight them. Without soldiers there is no war to hate.

War is a political action perpetrated by politicians. The people who fight that war are almost inevitably ignorant poor people who don't appreciate what they are doing until it's too late.

**Frownland** · 01-26-2018, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't support troops, I support people not suffering. A Vietnam vet who thinks their war meant something is a fool, but if they got shot, watched a friend get shot, or experienced any of the things that can traumatize a human being in a war zone then I feel empathy for that, and that is one of the things that makes me not support war. Their presence in Vietnam may have been a crime to the people of that country engaged in a civil war that should never have involved any foreign nations, but that doesn't make an injured American's excruciating physical and emotional pain any less horrible.

Women who wear mini skirts for a night out and get raped don't deserve that suffering, and soldiers who go to war for idiotic patriotism and wake up screaming when they come home don't deserve that kind of visceral misery. Nothing can make you deserve that unless you were in the ****ing Waffen SS shooting Russian children in the head on your way to Stalingrad. There's simply no way to understand what any of that is until you're in it and to throw veterans under the bus simply because they were naive idiots undermines the very purpose of hating war because you just don't care about what happens to people.

If we coddle every mother****er who comes out of a war and drape the word hero over their soldiers, it only perpetuates the concept that murdering multiple people is somehow noble and churns out more bodies. Nobody deserves the pain or random death caused by war. Nobody deserves to inflict that pain and death.

OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 05:47 PM

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Women who wear mini skirts for a night out and get raped don't deserve that suffering

Let's roll in the equivalency then:

Does the rapist deserve derision? I mean even if he took a kick to the nutsac? Or am I supposed to feel empathy for the suffering the rape caused his testicles?

OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

War is a political action perpetrated by politicians. The people who fight that war are almost inevitably ignorant poor people who don't appreciate what they are doing until it's too late.

The politicians being worse doesn’t negate my point.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 01-26-2018, 05:49 PM

If someone REALLY liked and supported soldiers, they wouldn't send them off to fight in unnecessary banker wars.

The Batlord · 01-26-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

If we coddle every mother****er who comes out of a war and drape the word hero over their soldiers, it only perpetuates the concept that murdering multiple people is somehow noble and churns out more bodies. Nobody deserves the pain or random death caused by war. Nobody deserves to inflict that pain and death.

I'm not talking about coddling them or calling them heroes, but there's a way to recoil in horror at the suffering of a Vietnam vet without supporting what they did. It shouldn't be one or the other. Both extreme approaches (hero worship or hating them) are inhuman and miss the point of giving a **** about human life. Feel for the loss of American lives who died in a stupid war they shouldn't have been involved in, while being honest about the stupidity regardless of how it reflects on your soldiers, and feel for the loss of those they killed. There's really no other way without indulging in hate.

OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

gonna have to say there's not a clear cut moral answer to this from my eyes

can you blame individuals for falling victim to the powerful propaganda machines of world governments

I have no problem doing that. Anyone can use that as an excuse.

OccultHawk · 01-26-2018, 05:53 PM

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There's really no other way without indulging in hate.

Is hate something we have to hate?

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