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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1920652)

Some People Never Learn.

That's some gratuitous abbreviating.

Good is good.

We also know that you dislike anything that's popular. It's your only edge.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1920649)

I don't disagree but a great action scene is not enough for me to get behind a bad movie like Saving Private Ryan.

Do you think Saving Private Ryan could have been saved if it had cut out a lot of the character building moments or the contrived scenes meant to convey the horrors of war (like the dog tag/poker chip scene)? I think a lot of Dunkirk's charm is that it didn't have that much in the way of character building and so the soldiers were allowed to be just random people in uniforms getting shot at, which is a lot less contrived than a movie that spends ten minutes in a church talking about random bull**** that just makes the movie drag on.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1920660)

Good is good.

From what I gather, your standards for what's good and what isn't all comes down to how something is marketed. It doesn't really upset me anymore since I know that it's just who you are.

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We also know that you dislike anything that's popular. It's your only edge.

I like a lot of popular things (f. ex. Led Zeppelin), just not all of them and I'm willing to humour that anything might not be perfect.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1920653)

You are beyond hopeless. Go put a bullet into your brain.

SPNL

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1920654)

I don't know what movie you're talking about so I can't say, but in general those movies, even the anti-war ones, often carry water for soldiers so that anti-war messages become pro-veteran messages, which encourage you to "support the troops", which puts it into your brain that you should support their wars as well. Not all war movies are like that obviously, and generally the ones that aren't are the more controversial, but in general if a war movie has a battle scene that can be described as "cool" then you should probably be leery of its intentions, even if the intended intentions aren't jingoistic.

I'm talking about Born on the Fourth of July. Have you seen it? None of the second part of the movie backs up what you're saying at all. It's total anti-war to the max, even going so far as to turn a gung-ho soldier into a protester against the war he fought in. AND it's based on a true story.

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1920658)

That's some gratuitous abbreviating.

I will make that ubiquitous all over the internet before I die next Thursday.
#SPNL

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1920668)

I tried watching that but choked on the fistfuls of ham that Oliver Stone was trying to cram down my throat.

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I'm talking about Born on the Fourth of July. Have you seen it? None of the second part of the movie backs up what you're saying at all. It's total anti-war to the max, even going so far as to turn a gung-ho soldier into a protester against the war he fought in. AND it's based on a true story.

It’s pro-war because because it’s sympathetic to the experience of a war veteran.

I liked it, though.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1920699)

It’s pro-war because because it’s sympathetic to the experience of a war veteran.

I liked it, though.

It's pro-war because the message in the movie is that the war was a mistake, it ruined people's lives, it was based on a lie and it destroyed the nationalist fervour of the young soldiers? :crazy:

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1920745)

It's pro-war because the message in the movie is that the war was a mistake, it ruined people's lives, it was based on a lie and it destroyed the nationalist fervour of the young soldiers? :crazy:

It's pro war because it makes Vietnam seem like an exception.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1920745)

It's pro-war because the message in the movie is that the war was a mistake, it ruined people's lives, it was based on a lie and it destroyed the nationalist fervour of the young soldiers? :crazy:

In order to hate war you have to hate veterans. I don’t need Ted Bundy to write memoirs about how raping and killing teenage girls ruined his life. Kovic didn’t earn the right to preach either. **** him and his war.