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Frownland 12-12-2017 11:51 AM

Studio bill = using a pro studio. Not that they didn't put a lot of work into it or write down the songs they stole first, of course.

Lucem Ferre 12-12-2017 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1903199)
many of my fav albums were recorded in one of the musicians livings rooms or something though **** a studio recording

and I'm a big fan of XXXTentacion and he's never had a studio quality release. Some people can make it work, most people can't. Kinda need an ear for knowing when to use it to your advantage.

Frownland 12-12-2017 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1903267)
and I'm a big fan of XXXTentacion and he's never had a studio quality release. Some people can make it work, most people can't. Kinda need an ear for knowing when to use it to your advantage.

Yep. DIY or studio aren't inherently positive or negative, it's what you do with them.

Don't forget that post-punk was born out of innovative recording techniques in the studio, elph.

Lucem Ferre 12-12-2017 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1903265)
Studio bill = using a pro studio. Not that they didn't put a lot of work into it or write down the songs they stole first, of course.

Getting a crisp and clear sound is really ****ing hard. People under appreciate a good engineer.

Being as how I only record my vocals in a studio and do everything else at home I'm still DIY. I just prefer crisp clear vocals over ****ty recordings that are hard to work with.

Lucem Ferre 12-12-2017 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1903270)
I just reject your premise that good music necessarily even requires effort nonetheless professional studio work

Most people aren't gifted so for most people it does.

Frownland 12-12-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1903273)
if you're talking about Joy Division and Factory records with Martin Hannett yeah that's true but only for that particular scene

+PiL

Frownland 12-12-2017 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1903279)
feel like you still don't get it

you can have a room of people who are not that musically talented record off the cuff on an 8 track and it can by circumstance be ****in brilliant

that's why music is so sick as a medium imo

Not sure how this equates to high-quality production being a bad thing. The song is the burger and the good production value is the cheese. Sure you can make it work without the cheese but generally it will help. Sometimes the burger is all you need, sometimes you put too much cheese on it and the burger is lost in the madness, hopefully you balance it well like a good chef. This has been analogy hour with Frownland.

Lucem Ferre 12-12-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1903279)
feel like you still don't get it

you can have a room of people who are not that musically talented record off the cuff on an 8 track and it can by circumstance be ****in brilliant

that's why music is so sick as a medium imo

Yes, but you can't consistently accidentally make dope music unless you are just gifted. Thus their one little project will become a flash in the pan compared to people that put forth effort to consistently create good music. And I mean good by conventional standards not the good out of your I enjoy **** out of the novelty of it being unconventional standards.

Frownland 12-12-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1903282)
Yes, but you can't consistently accidentally make dope music unless you are just gifted. Thus their one little project will become a flash in the pan compared to people that put forth effort to consistently create good music. And I mean good by conventional standards not the good out of your I enjoy **** out of the novelty of it being unconventional standards.

If you're making dope music it's generally dope in both lo and hi-fi :usehead:

Lucem Ferre 12-12-2017 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1903283)
If you're making dope music it's generally dope in both lo and hi-fi :usehead:

We're not talking about audio quality, he's talking about effort put into it. He thinks people make careers out of effortless accidents.

Edit: You're confusing the word 'professional' with 'conventional' elph.


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