If you use contraception you're stopping the eggs and sperm from meeting and becoming a child. If you abort a fertilized egg you are stopping the fertilized egg from becoming a child. I'm still not sure how I can see them as ethically that different.

you can say that all you want, but let me know when you trade your penis in for a vagina and have to give birth.

do you know how many women can't bare the pain of child birth or have you not heard of women that have died during labor?

^ Or how many minors get raped and end up pregnant?
Not just minors. Women in general really.

correct. thats not murder. its keeping them from ever getting fertilized. BIG difference.

Does anybody else agree then, that the most ethical thing to do would be for all males to have vasectomies at the ages of... ooh, lets say 10... and those vasectomies can only be reversed when they get married and agree with their wife that they should have a child. I think that would be a thoroughly righteous solution.

yeah but there are some rape victims that still opt to have a child.

and to clear a few things up, I know that if I were to get pregnant at this stage in my life I would more than likely not have an abortion.

no. because then people would not use any contraception and then the rate of STD infections would sky rocket.

Who says people don't also use condoms to prevent them from getting STDs? And plus, if so many people only use the pill since when did that prevent them from getting STDs?

Can we all just agree to disagree on abortion? I dont feeling like piloting through another political sh*t storm tonight.

I take the pill. the people doesn't prevent STDs.

and the reason why i am free of STDs is because i trust my partner or partners as of recently.

damn now I feel sick again.

night folks.
finish this up without me.