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Frownland 05-02-2017 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1830767)
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And if we're defining punk by what people think of as "punk", then it still started with England, cause that's when "Punk" with a capital "P" rose to prominence, which is still that same cultural snapshot.
Then the credit goes to New York because of Suicide.

The Batlord 05-02-2017 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1830770)
Well yeah proto-punk bands are Punk Bands
But my point is that "punk" is a term that is used to describe PUNK bands, and would be just as pointless to use to describe in hindsight bands like Velvet Underground as "proto-punk". They were just an underground rock band. The only useful description of "punk" is what it has been historically used to describe stereotypical punk and its offshoots that haven't been described as post-punk or new wave or whatever.

Frownland 05-02-2017 01:51 PM
1970

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...85eacf49a2.jpg

Blank. 05-02-2017 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1830789)
it basically dooms the genre to be unimaginative garbage like so many bands that take that view of punk

where as for me it means Art Rock with a DIY ethic and anarchic politics, and that's what it meant to the OG's
Punk is god!

Frownland 05-02-2017 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1830792)
Punk is god!
You should listen to some real punk

Blank. 05-02-2017 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1830798)
don't you have the bottom of a bottle to reach
Not til I'm done Spreading the love of punk, brother!

Blank. 05-02-2017 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1830800)
You should listen to some real punk
This isn't punk! This is pure garbage!

(I was listening to this as I drove home from work yesterday. Probably my favorite thing from their discog.)

Frownland 05-02-2017 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1830807)
This isn't punk! This is pure garbage!
Contradictions.

The Batlord 05-02-2017 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1830789)
it basically dooms the genre to be unimaginative garbage like so many bands that take that view of punk

where as for me it means Art Rock with a DIY ethic and anarchic politics, and that's what it meant to the OG's
How many OG CBGB's bands are actually political? I'd say the political aspect of "punk" is as stereotypical and unimaginative as the three-chord ****, and likewise dooms the genre. Punk in the creative sense should be about doing and saying whatever you want with the music, so making it about specific politics is just lame. A punk band should be able to talk about libertarianism, communism, or tits and ass as much as they want to. Or else it's just generic punk fascism.

Frownland 05-02-2017 02:15 PM
Leave your anarchist organizations with their singular, unified ideology out of punk, elphenor!


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