Ever have a friend that was messed up on heroin?

No but I had a brother that died from opiates, and we for a long time refused to look at him when all he wanted was our help.

Sometimes truly messed up people only want to prey on your emotions to aid in their addictions. Happened with one of my best friends. Finally had to turn my back in order to save my marriage.

Woah, hey now lets not get defensive CHULA!

Both of these men Exo, and JTF have had horrible experiences that are due to addiction and both of it the experiences had to do with their brothers.

I can understand each of their positions because I have been there, either as the loved one of a junkie, or the junkie.

Exo, I recommend that you indeed keep this fool at arms length. But in order to ensure that JTF isn't correct, pick up the phone and listen to him him cry. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. The road to self forgiveness, when a death occurs is much longer then it is if you just make a simple faux pas. (Trust me, the last thing I said to my mother the night she died was "I HATE YOU") It's taken me over 20 years to get over that. And only helped fuel the fire of heroin addiction for me. If you can, just check on him via telephone periodically and don't make him pay for the sins of your brother, inadvertently . Albeit he is an ******* for choosing that path, as destructive as it is to those that love him and care, it's still his road to walk. And totally cutting someone off when the have a problem, I'm not convinced is the correct path. My ex , what like 6 months ago almost died in my arms in a burger king bathroom, and everyone told him they were done with him, they kicked him outta his house, family closed the door yada yada yada, and I trusted my gut enough to know that this was the time he was going to die, if I didn't step in. Saved his ****ing life because of that choice.

And JFT I know the pain you are in brother, truly I do again if there is ever anything I can do for you, especially since I am only an hour north, please please pm me, well do lunch, have some drinks, ash on peoples heads from your balcony. Also, a reword of that statement might go along way in conveying your message, I got what you meant, and registered the pain that you were/are in but it came out a little hostile. IMO!

I apologize if I came across badly. Sorry.

Take a look at what I wrote again. I said I wouldn't have anything to do with him if he didn't try to get off the drugs. I lived with my brother for three years. Three years of "I don't have a problem. I'm not on drugs. All of you can kiss my ass. I didn't steal your money. Hey, can I have twenty bucks? No? WELL F*CK YOU. I'm not on drugs."

Yeah, I'm done with that sh*t. It affected my depression to the point of having suicidal thoughts. My father is still chronically depressed because of it. I had to lock my bedroom when I went to take a piss. I had to hide my checkbook, wallet, valuable possessions, and my car keys. I'm never doing that again, ever. I made a promise to myself.

If my friend admits he has a problem and wants help, I'll drive him to f*cking rehab if I have to. I don't just abandon my friends. I abandon toxic poison because my life is too short to have it ruined by selfish drug addicts who can't admit they have a problem because of their pride or need to get high.

By the way, I'm not offended. I just need to be REAL clear that i'm not somebody that just abandons their friends and family. I'll toss your ass to the curb if all I see in you is a cancer.

You did. You came across, in a manner that says, " You must not know **** about herion/ opiate addiction." I know more then you because I went through this with someone. Not knowing or forgetting that his brother recently passed. They call that assume, and it makes and ass outta you and me. I am just saying, man you do that a lot and I dunno if it's cause of your age, or whatever (and I don't mean to be a cunt really I don't I am just pointing this out so that you are aware that you you do this. ) Don't assume that others know less then you when they respond, maybe seek first to understand where they are coming from and what their experiences in life are. I am not saying you do that, in your mind but the way you word your posts screams that to me, and you and I get into tiffs because I just want to be like "now hang on a minute bro, do you know the poster you are talking at." Anyways that's all I got for you on this subject. ;) Night boo

Hey love, read what I wrote you again. I was just suggesting that maybe a phone call to him once and while, might lift his spirits so he didn't think EVERYONE left him, (EVEN IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE) In the junkies mind that is how it looks when people cut them off for their own sanity. The addict is an very selfish being, it's I. Me. Mine. all day long so where as you are really just doing something to help you stay sane, the addict mind views it as nobody loves me anyway, let me just keep on filling my arm with poison because nobody will care if I am gone. Which is a totally bull**** statement but it's what runs through our minds and triggers an even bigger relapse. I just don't want you to carry guilt with you if something god forbid were to happen.

That was in total response to Justin, not you duder.

Oh ok. I was like **** you too bitch I love your face! ;)