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DeadChannel 09-01-2015 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JonMJ33 (Post 1632242)
Yes the Phoenix Lights case is interesting. Especially when you have the Governor of the state telling you about the reality of the event. Here is Governor Fife Symington in his own words:
Except that the Phoenix Lights have been reasonably well refuted in this very thread.

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Also with regards to newer cases, this case has come to be very interesting indeed. The incident also has video from the Department of Homeland Security.
Oh ffs, that's not evidence.

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The Scientific Coalition for Ufology
Oxymoron

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came out with a 162 pg. analysis of the event and it is very technical.
That doesn't make it scientifically valid.

JonMJ33 09-01-2015 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632241)
Gonna take a moment to break all this down.
You can break it down as much as you desire.


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Neither of those things are good evidence.
Why?
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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632241)
You can find someone who will tell you almost anything.
Irrelevant with regards to whether or not he is telling the truth.

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Furthermore, Richard Dolan is neither a historian nor a reliable source.
Dolan got his graduate degree from the University of Rochester and also studied at Oxford. He was also a finalist for a Rhodes Scholarship.

How is he not a historian?
How is he not a reliable source?

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632241)
Also, someone, even a government, taking something seriously is not indicative of it's validity if there is no other evidence.
There is other evidence, did you not read what I presented? Also, I think you are confusing the word evidence with proof. What I am presenting is evidence to show the validity within Ufology, 100% proof is what ufology strives for and is the reason why more research needs to be done through official channels. This is why there is a huge push for disclosure and why many in ufology want official Congressional hearings


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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632241)
I can make a lot of claims, and then say that the truth is being hidden by the government/aliens/whatever, but that doesn't exempt me from the burden of proof.
There is plenty of evidence to show that something is going on. If generals, astronauts, cosmonauts, intelligence agents, military personnel, scientists, aerospace engineers, FAA officials, pilots, government personnel and police officers around the world are testifying to the validity of the phenomenon, then I think it just might be a bit prudent to listen.


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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632241)
Again, excuses for lack of evidence do not equate to evidence.
Right, evidence equates to evidence and I have given you some examples.


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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632241)
Google what the word anecdotal means, and why it doesn't qualify as evidence.
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In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact.-Wikipedia/Testimony
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In law, rules of evidence govern the types of evidence that are admissible in a legal proceeding. Types of legal evidence include testimony, documentary evidence, and physical evidence.-Wikipedia/Evidence

JonMJ33 09-01-2015 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1632054)
I have no idea what the **** that thing there in the sky is, so it's probably an alien spaceship from a society bent on taking over our world and enslaving the human race.
So do you have anything useful to contribute to this conversation?

JonMJ33 09-01-2015 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1632056)
I thought the fourth kind was inspired by real life events, does that answer your question?
no

JonMJ33 09-01-2015 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1632076)
Or it could be a weather balloon. Or Batty's ego having broken free...
Another useless comment.

Perhaps you would like to specifically address some the information I have presented?

JonMJ33 09-01-2015 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie (Post 1632120)
I think aliens probably exist. I don't think they've visited Earth.
The evidence suggests otherwise.

Frownland 09-01-2015 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JonMJ33 (Post 1632246)
So do you have anything useful to contribute to this conversation?
What I said before, but in less satirical terms for you: unidentified flying objects are not immediately aliens. It's most likely military ****e bro.

JonMJ33 09-01-2015 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1632194)
Totally explained. I got to see that live during the short time we lived in Temp, AZ.
Anybody who has spent a tiny amount of time investigating this case is well aware that there were flares in the sky that night. Look deeper into the case, you will see that the flares were an entirely separate event.

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Symington also noted that he requested information from the commander of Luke Air Force Base, the general of the National Guard, and the head of the Arizona Department of Public Safety. But none of the officials he contacted had an answer for what had happened, and were also perplexed. Later, he responded to an Air Force explanation that the lights were flares: "As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man made object I'd ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don't fly in formation". In an episode of the television show UFO Hunters called "The Arizona Lights", Symington said that he contacted the military asking what the lights were. The response was "no comment". He pointed out that he was the governor of Arizona at the time, not just some ordinary civilian.

Frances Barwood, the 1997 Phoenix city councilwoman who launched an investigation into the event, said that of the over 700 witnesses she interviewed, "The government never interviewed even one".-Wikipedia/Phoenix Lights

JonMJ33 09-01-2015 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1632220)
Well that's that.
No its not.

JonMJ33 09-01-2015 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632243)
Except that the Phoenix Lights have been reasonably well refuted in this very thread.
Oh really?

Like I said in another post in this thread, everyone who has looked into the Phoenix lights case is fully aware of the flares. That is not what is being described by hundreds of witnesses including the Governor, who incidentally was a Captain in the Air Force and I am pretty sure has seen what a flare looks like.

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632243)
Oh ffs, that's not evidence.
Why?


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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632243)
Oxymoron
Irrelevant statement


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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1632243)
That doesn't make it scientifically valid.
No, the information and data within the report does. Did you read it?


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