I think aliens probably exist. I don't think they've visited Earth. But what do I know. I'll tell you. Nothing.
DeadChannel
09-01-2015 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie
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I think aliens probably exist. I don't think they've visited Earth. But what do I know. I'll tell you. Nothing.
Supposing that life on earth is a natural phenomenon, which it appears to be, then there's no reason to assume that, given the size of the universe, it is a one off anomaly.
But, I agree, that has nothing to do with whether or not they've visited us.
Mr. Charlie
09-01-2015 04:02 PM
^ That's my thinking too.
Chula Vista
09-01-2015 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Exo
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The only real freaky event that left me with no answers was the Pheonix Lights incident in the 90s.
Totally explained. I got to see that live during the short time we lived in Temp, AZ.
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Within days, Tucson Weekly broke the news that the Maryland Air National Guard, in Arizona for winter training, had a squad of A-10 fighters over the gunnery range that night, and they had dropped flares. An Arizona National Guard public information officer, Captain Eileen Bienz, had determined that the flares had been dropped at 10 p.m. over the North Tac range 30 miles southwest of Phoenix, at an unusually high altitude: 15,000 feet.
The "disappearance" was actually the lights dropping behind the Sierra Estrella mountain range. Channel 12 filmed a similar dropping of flares by military planes, which Ortega reported as looking "remarkably like the 10 p.m. lights of March 13." - Phoenix New Times.
Frownland
09-01-2015 07:15 PM
Typical chula, of course you would believe the government sponsored official story. Wake up, sheeple! Aliens are among us and they're mad.
JonMJ33
09-01-2015 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadChannel
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Why has there never been a piece of hard (ie. not anecdotal) evidence?
Here's an excerpt about the Tehran 1976 UFO incident from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency's report (via F.O.I.A.) along with historian Richard Dolan's-12 Government Documents That Take UFO's Seriously
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An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon: a) the object was seen by multiple witnesses from different locations … and viewpoints. b) the credibility of many of the witnesses was high (an Air Force general, qualified air crews, and experienced radar operators). c) visual sightings were confirmed by radar. d) similar electromagnetic effects (EME) were reported by three separate aircraft. e) there were physiological effects on some crew members (i.e. loss of night vision due to the brightness of the object). f) an inordinate amount of maneuverability was displayed by the UFOs.-12 Government Documents That Take UFO's Seriously
It must also be noted that if any entity, group, organization or whatever does not want their presence to be known, it is logical to assume that they will take the necessary steps to insure their secrecy. Having said that, there is still a lot of evidence to look into. Cases like the Tehran incident above and the various government documents that show that this phenomenon is real.
Also if the government did not get involved than maybe we would have a piece of wreckage or something to that effect. Roswell is a good example of this. Major Jesse Marcel who was one of the first on the scene in Roswell and who is the one in the famous picture shown holding a piece of downed weather balloon, came out years later telling what really happened. You can hear the Major describe it in his own words here:
Exo
09-01-2015 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista
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Totally explained. I got to see that live during the short time we lived in Temp, AZ.
Well that's that.
Chula Vista
09-01-2015 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Exo
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Well that's that.
As soon as the sun came up the next day and you could see the outline of the range and then picture the order in which the lights went out it was clear.
DeadChannel
09-01-2015 08:47 PM
Gonna take a moment to break all this down.
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Originally Posted by JonMJ33
(Post 1632219)
Here's an excerpt about the Tehran 1976 UFO incident from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency's report (via F.O.I.A.) along with historian Richard Dolan's-12 Government Documents That Take UFO's Seriously
Neither of those things are good evidence. You can find someone who will tell you almost anything. Furthermore, Richard Dolan is neither a historian nor a reliable source. Also, someone, even a government, taking something seriously is not indicative of it's validity if there is no other evidence.
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It must also be noted that if any entity, group, organization or whatever does not want their presence to be known, it is logical to assume that they will take the necessary steps to insure their secrecy. Having said that, there is still a lot of evidence to look into. Cases like the Tehran incident above and the various government documents that show that this phenomenon is real.
I can make a lot of claims, and then say that the truth is being hidden by the government/aliens/whatever, but that doesn't exempt me from the burden of proof.
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Also if the government did not get involved than maybe we would have a piece of wreckage or something to that effect.
Again, excuses for lack of evidence do not equate to evidence.
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Roswell is a good example of this. Major Jesse Marcel who was one of the first on the scene in Roswell and who is the one in the famous picture shown holding a piece of downed weather balloon, came out years later telling what really happened. You can hear the Major describe it in his own words here:
Google what the word anecdotal means, and why it doesn't qualify as evidence.
JonMJ33
09-01-2015 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Exo
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In a day where literally everything is recorded by somebody, the fact that there is not a lot of hard evidence, especially recently, is proof enough for me that 99% of all UFO sightings are bullsh*t.
I agree, the vast majority of UFO events are mistaken identity, or hoaxes etc. It is the few cases that are truly strange and have a good amount of evidence that need to be taken seriously.
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Originally Posted by Exo
(Post 1632055)
The only real freaky event that left me with no answers was the Pheonix Lights incident in the 90s.
Yes the Phoenix Lights case is interesting. Especially when you have the Governor of the state telling you about the reality of the event. Here is Governor Fife Symington in his own words:
Also with regards to newer cases, this case has come to be very interesting indeed. The incident also has video from the Department of Homeland Security. The Scientific Coalition for Ufology came out with a 162 pg. analysis of the event and it is very technical. All information with the applicable links are included in this article.
