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Old 07-19-2015, 05:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well I already said, AUT might go back to his car for something,
Why would he do that? He'd have exactly the same things that you did, and exactly the same reasons or lack thereof to go back to his car.

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or have a sudden bout of indigestion and not want to walk anymore.
He would have eaten the same things you did, with exactly the same physiological response. Why would he get indigestion and not you?

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He might get mugged,
The same people in his vicinity would be in yours as well. Any mugger who might happen upon him would happen upon you as well.

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or hear someone scream and go to investigate.
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It might rain.
Weather conditions would also be the same.

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He might suddenly, urgently need a crap.
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The possibilities are endless really, which is why every single decision you make in your life is exactly that: a decision to go one way or the other. Even look at TV. You might decide to watch a new show, get totally into it, so much so that you stop writing that novel you had intended to finish. AUT does not watch the show and becomes a famous novelist. It goes on and on...
Why should the possibilities be endless? There may very well be only one possibility.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree and understand your counter-arguments, but I think the brain is reasonable explanation for things happening differently. It's reasonable for someone to remember or forget something that alters their path creating a split timeline. You don't have control over every thought you have and you don't respond to the same thing the same way every time.

LOL, this is ridiculous to argue over.
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Still works. Lots of words, still no sense or reason. But if it works for you, cool.

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I agree and understand your counter-arguments, but I think the brain is reasonable explanation for things happening differently. It's reasonable for someone to remember or forget something that alters their path creating a split timeline.
Why would Person A remember something that Person B wouldn't in an identical universe?

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You don't have control over every thought you have
What does having control of your thoughts have to do with anything?

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and you don't respond to the same thing the same way every time.
Without my hypothetical infinitive universe experiment, that is an unprovable assertion. Every situation is different, so you can't apply past results to future ones. Just because some guy punched you in the face once and you kicked his ass, doesn't mean that you actually responded differently when you restrained yourself another time.

Maybe the second guy was bigger than you, maybe you were sober, maybe you were just older and not a dumbass, or any number of other reasons that could explain why you would react differently in two situations that were really only superficially alike.
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Old 07-20-2015, 12:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Why would Person A remember something that Person B wouldn't in an identical universe?

What does having control of your thoughts have to do with anything?

Without my hypothetical infinitive universe experiment, that is an unprovable assertion. Every situation is different, so you can't apply past results to future ones. Just because some guy punched you in the face once and you kicked his ass, doesn't mean that you actually responded differently when you restrained yourself another time.

Maybe the second guy was bigger than you, maybe you were sober, maybe you were just older and not a dumbass, or any number of other reasons that could explain why you would react differently in two situations that were really only superficially alike.
I just said that because of all the examples that TH gave the alternative decisions seems like the most reasonable. We know enough about the other things like the bridge collapsing and stuff for it to be reasonable that if it collapses in one world that it will collapse in another world. With the brain though we don't understand enough about how it works to claim it's unreasonable that given the same instance in multiple parallel universes it couldn't sporadically have different thoughts.

The reason I mentioned not having control over our brain is because if we had full control that would eliminate the possibility of the previously mentioned sporadic thoughts.

As for your last paragraphs you can use a better example like eating the same foods or your morning coffee. Every time you take a sip of coffee from the same cup, same brew it's different. Sure it tastes the same but it's a different experience.
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Your entire argument about some crazy bitch with a defective brain microwaving her baby is irrelevant. If her brain doesn't work right, then you can't say that her acting irrationally by normal human standards has any significance when it comes to the rest of us. Cause she's ****ing crazy.
Totally relevant, because it proves the math theory sometimes has huge holes in it.

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Totally relevant, because it proves the math theory sometimes has huge holes in it.



See above.
I feel personally this has gone way off-topic and is developing into something of a snark between Batty, Chula and Frownland. I mean, who cares really? It's just a lighthearted topic and I think sticking to the question in the OP will cut down on drama, which is .... building .... 80% ... please stand by .... 82% ....
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I feel personally this has gone way off-topic and is developing into something of a snark between Batty, Chula and Frownland.
Just a healthy discussion. I'm not taking any offense.
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Just a healthy discussion. I'm not taking any offense.
Not the point. I made the thread to discuss the theory or the Grandfather Paradox, not mathematical equations and the like. Some people have been very good at discussing the possibility of such theory, even if the possibilities are completely out of proportion. Honestly, you guys going back and forth on the argument you're stuck on is making me not want to post in this thread, and it's my own damn thread.
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Not the point. I made the thread to discuss the theory or the Grandfather Paradox, not mathematical equations and the like. Some people have been very good at discussing the possibility of such theory, even if the possibilities are completely out of proportion. Honestly, you guys going back and forth on the argument you're stuck on is making me not want to post in this thread, and it's my own damn thread.
This is my point. You may not be taking offence, but some of us are. A small few of you have turned this into what amounts to either a private battleground or a debate between 2-3 of you, and it's not fair to the OP. It's off topic, and I've certainly been accused (rightly) of doing this. If you want to keep arguing about semantics not directly related to the OP question I would find another thread, or make one. You're boring us all now and it's getting in the way of the discussion.

Oh, and I should say, great thread Ki. Really enjoying it.
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