Chula Vista

The human mind has evolved to a point beyond mathematical laws IMO. It's capable of passion that can drive a person to do things that are beyond any sense of comprehension or logic.

There was a story years back of a woman who roasted her young child to death in her oven because she was convinced he had the devil in him.

Sorry, but stuff like that is never going to be explained by an equation. It's not magic. It's the human brain gone haywire.

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The Batlord

How do you evolve beyond math? Evolution is governed by naturalistic laws. To claim that something can "evolve beyond mathematical laws", you have to not only accept the existence of magic (previously defined by me as any governing force that defies natural laws as they exist in reality regardless if those laws contradict our current models), but that it enters the process at some point.

And seemingly irrational acts based on emotion are not illogical. Say you hear a stick crack in the middle of woods which you know full well are free from large predators, and which are not known for harboring criminal activity. It would be logical to assume that it was just a deer, or a hiker, but ancient instinct, from a time before the existance of human-created "safe zones" where they did not have to worry about predators, kicks in and you may very well become startled.

There is almost certainly no danger, but if your ancestors hadn't developed instincts to treat every noise in the woods as a possible threat, then they would likely have been eaten by considerably more bears. Emotions and instincts are not necessarily logical in every specific situation, but their development was still based logic.

Sounds like an Argument from Incredulity, which is a logical fallacy basically meaning that since you can't imagine how something could be so, then it must not be so. Human emotions are complex to such an extent that the human mind is clearly incapable of fully understanding them, therefore, your own subjective analysis of them should be treated as suspect when attempting to do so.

People aren't clones. Genes are "randomized" to a certain extent in order to prevent genetic stagnation in a species. Since this process is not overseen by an infallible computer, undesirable deformities, both physical and mental, are bound to occur.

From what you describe, this woman was actually acting according to a parent's basic instinct to protect their child: she saw a threat (i.e. demonic possession) and acted to neutralize that threat. Her dysfunctional premise and response would probably still be mathematically predictable if your equation accounted for her mental aberration, and her mental illness (be it genetic and/or developmental) would also be predictable.

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Chula Vista

So then math isn't going to work.

I get what you are trying to say but I don't agree with it.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

The Batlord

Maybe not our current level of mathematical understanding, but assuming there was a hypothetical super computer which could calculate EVERYTHING, then I'd imagine math would work.

And you ignored my point that just because you can't understand the complexities of human emotions doesn't mean that they are somehow magical.

Reason being?

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Chula Vista

A person putting their child into a stove, and then leaning against the door while their kid screamed and fried alive?

Or how about this recent TV showbiz hit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack

There's simply some **** with humans that defies all logic and reason.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

The Batlord

It defies your ability to understand it. That does not mean that it defies objective logic. Seriously, you are committing a recognized logical fallacy, and you need to question your premise.

Argument from incredulity - RationalWiki

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Chula Vista

Seriously, that's just blah blah blah blabber trying to rationalize things that are beyond rationalization. I'm not buying it. If you are that's cool.

Watched the 2008 version of The Day the Earth stood Still recently and although it's a ****ty movie (still love Jennifer Connely to death) the message was pretty sound and pretty poignant to this discussion.

We are the problem. We are uncontrollable. We defy all logic and reason. We're seriously ****ed up.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”