Grandfather Paradox

Key · 07-19-2015, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Mathematics are the basic building blocks of the universe, and govern everything in it. You can't really talk about secular predetermination without math.

Keep in mind this is all based on theories and hypothetical situations. I'm not really asking for anybody to mathematically prove people wrong, the point of this thread was more to just see if there are people who think that something like this could somehow be possible, even if the possibilities are completely unrealistic.

The Batlord · 07-19-2015, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Keep in mind this is all based on theories and hypothetical situations. I'm not really asking for anybody to mathematically prove people wrong, the point of this thread was more to just see if there are people who think that something like this could somehow be possible, even if the possibilities are completely unrealistic.

**** me if I know, but if I were to hazard a guess, if parallel universes did exist, I don't think they would be alternate timelines.

Key · 07-19-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

**** me if I know, but if I were to hazard a guess, if parallel universes did exist, I don't think they would be alternate timelines.

Mathematics aside, do you ever think about what it'd be like to have the possibility to look into a parallel universe and decide the fate of something that you already know is going to happen? Or to somehow change said thing from happening? That thought alone just blows my mind because even though the possibility isn't there, it's still something that if it were possible, the outcomes would be incredible.

Trollheart · 07-19-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

But you're never going to act differently when either crossing or not crossing the bridge. The world is governed by mathematical laws, and unless there is magic that can introduce randomness (where one plus one can sometimes equal three) then your actions are predetermined, just like everything else. Free will is an illusion.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

You just added a bridge in your universe. There was no bridge in Trollheart's. Imagine the ripple effects that will have.

Even if it was a bridge, well, no you're not going to act differently, but say it was old and crumbled? You either made it over to the other side or you didn't, and two new universes are born. Or you could meet someone if you cross the bridge that changes your life; go back and decide you forgot to lock your car and then change your mind about taking a walk over the bridge (maybe you get a call) and you never meet that person. So yeah, on the smallest things large events can turn.

Trollheart · 07-19-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Mathematics aside, do you ever think about what it'd be like to have the possibility to look into a parallel universe and decide the fate of something that you already know is going to happen? Or to somehow change said thing from happening? That thought alone just blows my mind because even though the possibility isn't there, it's still something that if it were possible, the outcomes would be incredible.

One point there: you have to be careful not to meet yourself. Unless of course you're Stewie and Brian, who met about a hundred duplicates of themselves. Two identical objects cannot share the same space/time, and if they do, look out universe!

The Batlord · 07-19-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Even if it was a bridge, well, no you're not going to act differently, but say it was old and crumbled? You either made it over to the other side or you didn't, and two new universes are born. Or you could meet someone if you cross the bridge that changes your life; go back and decide you forgot to lock your car and then change your mind about taking a walk over the bridge (maybe you get a call) and you never meet that person. So yeah, on the smallest things large events can turn.

But it's not just going to get old and crumble for no apparent reason. It's still going to be bound by the same natural laws that govern the other bridge. It'll get old and crumble at the same rate.

Key · 07-19-2015, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

One point there: you have to be careful not to meet yourself. Unless of course you're Stewie and Brian, who met about a hundred duplicates of themselves. Two identical objects cannot share the same space/time, and if they do, look out universe!

That's where another theory comes into play where you're not allowed to disrupt your own existence in a different universe because it could drastically alter your existence / terminate your existence. However, to have that kind of power would be almost unstoppable.

Chula Vista · 07-19-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Reason being?

A person putting their child into a stove, and then leaning against the door while their kid screamed and fried alive?

Or how about this recent TV showbiz hit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack

There's simply some **** with humans that defies all logic and reason.

Key · 07-19-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

But it's not just going to get old and crumble for no apparent reason. It's still going to be bound by the same natural laws that govern the other bridge. It'll get old and crumble at the same rate.

I actually agree with you here. I don't want to get nerdy, but this is how it was explained in Bioshock Infinite:

The Batlord · 07-19-2015, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

A person putting their child into a stove, and then leaning against the door while their kid screamed and fried alive?

Or how about this recent TV showbiz hit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack

There's simply some **** with humans that defies all logic and reason.

It defies your ability to understand it. That does not mean that it defies objective logic. Seriously, you are committing a recognized logical fallacy, and you need to question your premise.

Argument from incredulity - RationalWiki

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Another form, the argument from personal incredulity, takes the form "I can't believe P, therefore not-P." Merely because one cannot believe that, for example, homeopathy is no more than a placebo does not magically make such treatment effective. Clinical trials are deliberately designed in such a way that an individual personal experience is not important compared to data in aggregate. Human beings have extremely advanced pattern recognition skills, to the extent that they are objectively poor judges of probability.