Grandfather Paradox

Oriphiel · 07-18-2015, 12:31 PM

What if Music Banter is just a dream in The Batlord's head?

Trollheart · 07-18-2015, 01:23 PM

What if The Batlord is just a dream in Music Banter's head?

The Batlord · 07-18-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

It's just such a weird thing to think about. Imagine right now, there's an exact copy of you in the exact copy of the universe you're in right now, sitting right where you are right now at this exact moment. Yet, they do something different for a few seconds and it completely alters their universe to be something different than where you're sitting right now. Even more to that, imagine being able to take a sneak peak into that universe to see if something actually changes to possibly convince you that doing said thing would alter your own reality in a positive way.

Somehow I don't think it would work like that. If the universe is governed by math, from the bounce of a ball, to the movement of a galaxy, then you are also governed by those same laws, and if it's impossible for anything to act differently than what is essentially preordained by mathematical fate, then even the Big Bang can't act any differently, which opens up the possibility that if the Big Bang was the result of a former universe imploding or whatever, then the Big Bang that started the former universe would have happened exactly like this the one did created ours. So there might conceivably be a you from some extremely distant past who was exactly like you and did everything that you've done, are doing, and will do.

Chula Vista · 07-18-2015, 02:01 PM

Made me think of this for some reason.

Wpnfire · 07-18-2015, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

i'm curious if you guys think that it's somehow possible that at this very moment, there are multiple universes in which you exist / don't exist.

No. Multiple universe models are generally discouraged for the same reasons that people don’t believe in God: neither can be seen or observed so it’s silly to believe in them.

Key · 07-18-2015, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire

No. Multiple universe models are generally discouraged for the same reasons that people don’t believe in God: neither can be seen or observed so it’s silly to believe in them.

Yet, saying you don't believe in it is basically the same concept. You have no proof that it doesn't exist, so how can you take the stance that it doesn't if you have no proof?

DwnWthVwls · 07-18-2015, 04:16 PM

Isn't the lack of proof reason enough?

Wpnfire · 07-18-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Yet, saying you don't believe in it is basically the same concept. You have no proof that it doesn't exist, so how can you take the stance that it doesn't if you have no proof?

I didn’t say either of them can’t be suggested though.

A certain type of black hole is theorized to contain wormholes to possibly another universe, but we’ve never been close enough to one of these black holes to see it. A facsimile of this is shown in Interstellar, but the black hole in that movie was purely hypothetical.

DeadChannel · 07-18-2015, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Yet, saying you don't believe in it is basically the same concept. You have no proof that it doesn't exist, so how can you take the stance that it doesn't if you have no proof?

The burden of proof lies upon the maker of positive claims. I do not believe is not a positive claim, it is a reaction to the lack of evidence.

For instance:

"I do not believe in god" is not a positive claim. It is simply an acknowledgement of the lack of concrete, evidential reason for belief.

"I believe that there is no god" is a positive claim. For this statement to be supported, you would have to provide evidence for why a god does not or could not exist.

This seems a lot like semantics, but it's actually a pretty important part of logic.

Key · 07-18-2015, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Isn't the lack of proof reason enough?

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire

I didn’t say either of them can’t be suggested though.

A certain type of black hole is theorized to contain wormholes to possibly another universe, but we’ve never been close enough to one of these black holes to see it. A facsimile of this is shown in Interstellar, but the black hole in that movie was purely hypothetical.

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

The burden of proof lies upon the maker of positive claims. I do not believe is not a positive claim, it is a reaction to the lack of evidence.

For instance:

"I do not believe in god" is not a positive claim. It is simply an acknowledgement of the lack of concrete, evidential reason for belief.

"I believe that there is no god" is a positive claim. For this statement to be supported, you would have to provide evidence for why a god does not or could not exist.

This seems a lot like semantics, but it's actually a pretty important part of logic.

These are definitely all very good points. I'm not really choosing sides on whether or not something is true. This type of thing has always interested me and it boggles my mind that something like this could happen. If any proof were to arise, I do think that our minds wouldn't really be able to process the information.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Made me think of this for some reason. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”