John Wilkes Booth

yea, figured something around there based on your post. i know this will sound patronizing and all that but your current ideas about how you'd prefer a life in the woods away from society etc will most likely change with time. you're just too young, stupid, and full of hormonal rage to see the benefit of society atm.



or they might not change, in which case you run the risk of eventually being involuntarily institutionalized.

GuD

That was the thing though, they took all of the benefits of society and brought them to paradise with almost none of the negative parts. The only thing that ruined their ability to maintain peace was their jealousy and lack of trust in each other. All they had to do was tell them what was really going on, put their egos aside, and listen to each other and they would've gotten along fine. But no one wants to watch a show where everyone gets along. Conflict is entertaining if you can't learn to live without it. I guess it breeds diversity. Everyone's always like 'oh, you do things like this? i do things almost exactly like that except I don't do these things and I do these things instead'. Conflict. Something different. Intrigue.

@Overcast
I just remember that being the popular opinion at the time. I think the main thing was people felt like there was gonna be a more cathartic ending instead of just fizzling out like it did.

John Wilkes Booth

i have no idea what you're referring to

Overcast

Involuntarily institutionalized? Been there several times. No thanks. My thought process is always changing these days but I've been set on living that way for awhile now. It's not for the reasons you'd expect though. I am young and stupid, not denying that, but I'm not primarily doing this because of society. It's more of a personally optimistic outlook I'm adapting to while pursuing a growing relationship with my animal connection through nature. Basically, I'm a ****ing hippy.

John Wilkes Booth

my previous comment still applies... in fact, nothing has changed

John Wilkes Booth

@ overcast

i was being a dick here

nothing wrong with survivalism... i think the image hippies have of it is a bit sugar coated... they tend to abhor the idea of inflicting pain on other creatures, reinforcing the very idea of humanity as something above and beyond the rest of the animal kingdom.

cause no other creature is vegetarian out of empathy for the feelings of others... they're driven to a vegetarian diet out of strategy because in their case and their ecological niche, it happens to be the most effective way of obtaining nutrients. semi off topic rant approaching
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but the more i think about it the less vegetarianism/veganism makes sense to me. because really we were born out of a system that necessitates that life feeds on life. vegetarians draw an arbitrary line as to which kind of life is ok to eat and which kind isn't. cause they're concerned about pain. but predation is built into the ecosystem we live in. so really they are just rejecting nature. or trying to separate humans from nature. and yet they tend to be the self proclaimed advocates of nature.

where as the hunter looks at the rest of the animal kingdom the same way any other predator does. so that's just humans engaging in the natural world.

so that's what i find interesting about survivalism... the idea of being able to hunt and grow **** and do whatever it takes to survive. but it doesn't look very easy or pleasant, tbh. so i'd probably prefer to stay in a high tech society.

but i do find tribes that still exist this way interesting. this is a pretty good documentary about such a tribe.

Watch Pure Nature Features: The Great Dance: a Hunter's Story Online | Hulu

they still exist. so maybe if you are really serious about wanting to disconnect from civilization and go primal, think about going to africa and trying to join in with these people.

Overcast

I'm not personally a vegetarian. I'm real interested in farming/foraging though, not so much hunting and killing animals. I'd probably fish at the most. I love animals. I'm less interested in the barer bones of hardcore survivalism and more interested in the beauty of certain parts of nature. In my experience I'm only truly happy when I'm in the middle of that beauty. Campfires, rainstorms, isolation... I have a nihilistic viewpoint on life so being able to ditch my identity and become an observer living out my days in nature sounds like the best plan for me. I don't really fit into society since nothing that's important to most people means anything to me. I'm willing to ditch a lifetime of shelter, food and safety even if I just lasted a week tbh.

John Wilkes Booth

yea... i said that kind of **** when i was 19 too lol