Kids: you gotta love 'em!

Trollheart · 05-04-2015, 04:04 AM

I will never have children, and even if by some miracle it happened that I met someone who wanted kids, I know I am way too selfish an individual to get involved in raising a child. I know that generally, once you have children your life is effectively over and what is yours is theirs. I recall one episode of "Roseanne" which illustrated this negative aspect of being a father brilliantly:

Dan goes to see this friend of his who has a big screen TV, satellite, massive stereo system, the works. The guy is single and Dan marvels at the stereo, as they swap techy info. He says "I once had a great system like this". The guy remarks "Oh yeah? What you got now?" Dan says glumly "Clock radio."

It's a great depiction of how, once you have children they take over your life and all your disposable income basically goes to raise them, or to give them what they want/need as they grow up. Someone once said you never stop being a parent, and I can believe it. That's part of the downside. There's also the sleepless nights, changing nappies/diapers, frantic visits to the doctor when something seems wrong, and all the other little things that can drive you mad as a parent.

But they're only the negative aspects. Let's get some perspective on this thing. I can't speak from personal experience, but I can only imagine the joy and pride of a father or mother when their son or daughter, for instance, graduates, gets a job, gets married. The simple pleasure of teaching your child to ride a bike, or play guitar or football. Those nights they sneak in to your room, escaping the bogeyman in the closet. That first time they call you daddy or mommy. So many wonderful memories can be built around children. Their first day at school, their first birthday, the baptism, the first time they make friends.

It doesn't matter if you think people shouldn't have kids: nobody's saying you have to personally add to the population if you don't wish to. But surely everyone can find one thing good to say about kids? Some are little bastards, sure, but let's not tar them all with one brush. Have you never listened to little girls playing shop, or boys playing football or chasing? Never answered the door to some cute kid wanting you to sponsor them for some walk or other, or who wants to see your cat or cut your grass?

So anyone who has, or wants, children, or just anyone who likes children post your thoughts here. The sloppier and more cringeworthy the better. Post pics if you want, and let us know your thoughts on kids. If you're a proud dad or mom, or going to be, or want to be, talk to us.

Because remember, the children are our future.
Unless we stop them...

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 04:46 AM

So this is basically the "Let's Try to Convert Ki and Lis Into Child Lovers!" thread?

Come on, just leave them alone. They may seem a bit extreme in their views towards parenthood, but believe me, it's very easy to become jaded when you have to put with horrible children and terrible parents every day. Maybe one day they'll change their minds, maybe not, but it sure as hell isn't going to be a half-assed thread that convinces them to start loving those little rascals.

ladyislingering · 05-04-2015, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

So this is basically the "Let's Try to Convert Ki and Lis Into Child Lovers!" thread?

Come on, just leave them alone. They may seem a bit extreme in their views towards parenthood, but believe me, it's very easy to become jaded when you have to put with horrible children and terrible parents every day. Maybe one day they'll change their minds, maybe not, but it sure as hell isn't going to be a half-assed thread that convinces them to start loving those little rascals.

I don't think the childfree life is extreme or anything new to society. Any reason a breeder might have as to why it's necessary for literally every human to procreate can easily be debunked by logic. I've gotten a lot of dirty looks for saying that I'm childfree, never had a want/need to procreate, and would like to be sterilized in the future to ensure my forever-freedom from children, but I've also met a ton of amazing people (including parents who don't act like sanctimommies, foaming out their mouths about their child every 5 seconds) who don't act like total dicks about the whole thing.

take care of the children who are already alive and in need (e.g.; children who were born to drug addicts and other people incapable of handling their reproductive organs in a responsible fashion) if you care so damned much about them - it makes more sense than making more, which is just a thinly veiled byproduct of your ego.

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I don't think the childfree life is extreme or anything new to society. Any reason a breeder might have as to why it's necessary for literally every human to procreate can easily be debunked by logic. I've gotten a lot of dirty looks for saying that I'm childfree, never had a want/need to procreate, and would like to be sterilized in the future to ensure my forever-freedom from children, but I've also met a ton of amazing people (including parents who don't act like sanctimommies, foaming out their mouths about their child every 5 seconds) who don't act like total dicks about the whole thing.

take care of the children who are already alive and in need (e.g.; children who were born to drug addicts and other people incapable of handling their reproductive organs in a responsible fashion) if you care so damned much about them - it makes more sense than making more, which is just a thinly veiled byproduct of your ego.

Why did you quote my post when you said that? It just seems odd that it's directed towards me, when I was defending you and Ki.

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

You're kidding yourself if you think I'm interested in discussing whether it's okay to say the things they said with you in PM

Meanwhile I don't care whether you think what I said was justified, I really honestly could not give less of a fuck

YorkeDaddy, I want you to reread your post and really let it sink in. After acting like you were heroically trying to convince Lis that she was entertaining a false lifestyle, you just now admitted that you "could not give any less of a fuck" about our points of view, and about actually talking about the issue. So, if you're not interested in talking about the issue, what the fuck is the point of you even being here, other than to throw around a few insults and refuse to actually have a civil discussion?

YorkeDaddy · 05-04-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

YorkeDaddy, I want you to reread your post and really let it sink in. After acting like you were heroically trying to convince Lis that she was entertaining a false lifestyle, you just now admitted that you "could not give any less of a fuck" about our points of view, and about actually talking about the issue. So, if you're not interested in talking about the issue, what the fuck is the point of you even being here, other than to throw around a few insults and refuse to actually have a civil discussion?

There's nothing TO sink in because this is so engrained into who I am as a person that it's unswayable. I love my little brother more than anything and hearing people talk about children like they shouldn't even be had makes me physically sick. I will not apologize for calling it disgusting. Like I've said you can not want children all you want but going that far is beyond outrageous. Just like basically everyone else on this forum I'm making my stance known and nothing will change that, you're apparently okay with THEM being that firm but not me. You're not being very objective, you're just fighting for the sake of fighting.

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

There's nothing TO sink in because this is so engrained into who I am as a person that it's unswayable. I love my little brother more than anything and hearing people talk about children like they shouldn't even be had makes me physically sick. I will not apologize for calling it disgusting. Like I've said you can not want children all you want but going that far is beyond outrageous. Just like basically everyone else on this forum I'm making my stance known and nothing will change that, you're apparently okay with THEM being that firm but not me. You're not being very objective, you're just fighting for the sake of fighting.

But the difference is, you don't see them continually taking personal potshots at you. They said one hateful thing, and later expressed that it was wrong of them, while you have thrown multiple insults at them and "refuse to apologize". And you've repeatedly expressed that you will never even try to understand their point of view, while Lis is in this thread, right now, justifying what she said, and she's more than willing to talk to you if you'll give her a chance. Right now, she's being much more courteous than you are; learn from her example.

Seriously, why are you still talking to me? Lis is right over there. If you have something to say to her, go for it.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 05-05-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I don't think the childfree life is extreme or anything new to society. Any reason a breeder might have as to why it's necessary for literally every human to procreate can easily be debunked by logic. I've gotten a lot of dirty looks for saying that I'm childfree, never had a want/need to procreate, and would like to be sterilized in the future to ensure my forever-freedom from children, but I've also met a ton of amazing people (including parents who don't act like sanctimommies, foaming out their mouths about their child every 5 seconds) who don't act like total dicks about the whole thing.

take care of the children who are already alive and in need (e.g.; children who were born to drug addicts and other people incapable of handling their reproductive organs in a responsible fashion) if you care so damned much about them - it makes more sense than making more, which is just a thinly veiled byproduct of your ego.

this is kind of amusing to me tbh

i mean having kids is objectively the only reason you exist

obviously i'm not ridiculing you for not wanting them, as i don't really particularly want them either

but to criticize the logic of people having kids... its sort of like calling out a computer program for performing the one specific function it was designed to perform

The Batlord · 05-04-2015, 05:01 AM

I saw a kid once. I still have the scar.

Trollheart · 05-04-2015, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I was a kid once. I still have the scar.

Fixed

(The BatBaby.... dear god!)

YorkeDaddy · 05-04-2015, 10:19 AM

Lol there's basically nothing more stupid to me than hating children. It's basically an admission that you have ZERO understanding of developmental psychology and how we were all in that exact state and unrefined mind at one point. Just pitiful. If you don't want them or don't particularly like being around them that's one thing. But hating children? Disgusting.

Anyway when I was 15 my parents had another kid so I've pretty much gone through all those early stages with them and have spent tons and tons of time watching him while my parents were at work and whatnot, and hanging out with a little kid is an absolute blast (assuming he likes you a lot that is). I'm very, very excited to have some of my own but I'll be holding off on that for at least another 5 years or so

05-04-2015, 04:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Kids: you gotta love 'em! I will never have children, and even if by some miracle it happened that I met someone who wanted kids, I know I am way too selfish an individual to get involved in raising a child. I know that generally, once you have children your life is effectively over and what is yours is theirs. I recall one episode of "Roseanne" which illustrated this negative aspect of being a father brilliantly: Dan goes to see this friend of his who has a big screen TV, satellite, massive stereo system, the works. The guy is single and Dan marvels at the stereo, as they swap techy info. He says "I once had a great system like this". The guy remarks "Oh yeah? What you got now?" Dan says glumly "Clock radio." It's a great depiction of how, once you have children they take over your life and all your disposable income basically goes to raise them, or to give them what they want/need as they grow up. Someone once said you never stop being a parent, and I can believe it. That's part of the downside. There's also the sleepless nights, changing nappies/diapers, frantic visits to the doctor when something seems wrong, and all the other little things that can drive you mad as a parent. But they're only the negative aspects. Let's get some perspective on this thing. I can't speak from personal experience, but I can only imagine the joy and pride of a father or mother when their son or daughter, for instance, graduates, gets a job, gets married. The simple pleasure of teaching your child to ride a bike, or play guitar or football. Those nights they sneak in to your room, escaping the bogeyman in the closet. That first time they call you daddy or mommy. So many wonderful memories can be built around children. Their first day at school, their first birthday, the baptism, the first time they make friends. It doesn't matter if you think people shouldn't have kids: nobody's saying you have to personally add to the population if you don't wish to. But surely everyone can find one thing good to say about kids? Some are little bastards, sure, but let's not tar them all with one brush. Have you never listened to little girls playing shop, or boys playing football or chasing? Never answered the door to some cute kid wanting you to sponsor them for some walk or other, or who wants to see your cat or cut your grass? So anyone who has, or wants, children, or just anyone who likes children post your thoughts here. The sloppier and more cringeworthy the better. Post pics if you want, and let us know your thoughts on kids. If you're a proud dad or mom, or going to be, or want to be, talk to us. Because remember, the children are our future. Unless we stop them... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

05-04-2015, 04:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,354	So this is basically the "Let's Try to Convert Ki and Lis Into Child Lovers!" thread? Come on, just leave them alone. They may seem a bit extreme in their views towards parenthood, but believe me, it's very easy to become jaded when you have to put with horrible children and terrible parents every day. Maybe one day they'll change their minds, maybe not, but it sure as hell isn't going to be a half-assed thread that convinces them to start loving those little rascals.